wr450x wrote:Many of the manufacturers shy away from full body standing shots when their dolls have unrealistic and unattractive stretched lower legs. Most of these dolls have lower legs that are 10 to 13 cm (4 to 5 inches) longer than the upper leg. They must do this to claim their dolls are taller yet weight less while using the least amount of TPE material => lower cost to produce. But the result is extremely unattractive and unnatural. For example, the WM 165D doll is more of a 152 cm doll with stretched ultra skinny lower legs to claim 165cm height. In bed she will still just be a 152 cm doll with the feet in the wrong place.
For over exaggerated leg lengths refer to the example comparing the WM 168 A-cup to Valeria Lukyanova, an ultra thin 170cm tall Russian Model. The WM168 is about the worst I could find.
Now the WM 157cm B-cup has a better upper to lower leg ratio, but the torso is unrealistically short. I could not find a single photo of a real person under 180cm tall with such an exaggerated short torso. For exaggerated torso length refer to the second example comparing the WM 157cm B-cup to Ava Hardy, a typical thin 157cm tall 18 year old model.
But the most horrific feature I've seen on these dolls is the repulsive unrealistic bent spine with bubble butt and misplaced anus and vagina that happens when the doll is bent over at the waist. Refer to the final example for this problem. Perhaps the skeletons need to be redesigned to articulate more like a human spine to prevent this. And all of the thin dolls need to have flat chest or A-cup max to be considered realistic, refer to porn star Jenna Justine for appropriate sized breast on a thin woman.
This information needs to be submitted to every doll manufacturer. The first one to come out with realistic proportions will make most of the existing dolls obsolete overnight, and leave the rest desparate to catch up. In my opinion the new Irontech 168cm Ayumi Anime doll has pretty realistic proportions, but for a 168cm tall doll the 96cm hips are a deal breaker for me, 89cm hips are more typical of a porn star this height.
I sincerely hope someone takes this serious!
Hello wr450x ,
Although I understand your quest for the perfect girl for you and I have to admit I have been in your shoes before and I also am still looking for more realism to be introduced in this market , I would like to point some things out as far as what you may perceive as imperfections or shortcomings that may not be as extreme as you think or may be just flat out wrong in some case's.
One thing I'd like to point out first is that many have stressed that the dolls not be heavy as heavy dolls are not an option for them for many reasons such as health or just convenience of having a light weight small spinner type.
Manufacturers have in the past tried to make the dolls look aesthetically pleasant as they try to keep weight to a minimal level and in the past they have kept some area's of the body to a certain typical standard because of the weight gain problem.
The Dolls have very thin waistlines for the most part yes
The Dolls also have larger breasts most times yes
The Dolls body parts may not exactly match a real woman's perfectly in some case's or even most times yes.
That said ,One has to understand the materials used to make these dolls will add up in weight as they are applied to the skeleton and that placing holes close to each other will add the problem of structural failure.
As for the photos of the dolls there are many ways to present the dolls in photos , the photos are taken from many angles and in many different positions.
Usually the back is arched to give that sexy look we all love to see and usually they are sitting or laying down for many reasons but they do stand the dolls and occasionally stand them with full body photos.
I have to disagree about the lower legs being longer then real women's, that's just a false assumption here , you have to inspect them in person and if your going to inspect by looking at photo's you have to account for many factors that the photo may be presenting such as rollerskates or high heel shoes for example.
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Notice the 18 year old model also has her back straight and the WM157 has the back arched , together with the rollerskates this gives the effect of making the torso look small and legs long.
Even though the real girl on the left has her ankles raised very slightly that is no comparison to having platforms with rollers under the feet , Every single centermeter added to the feet makes a very large difference in height and proportions of the entire body.
Now in these photo's we have 3 women's body's posing in 3 completely different ways , although the positions are of a woman bent over with buttocks sticking out there are also many factors here that shouldn't be over looked.
Model 1 is standing and bent at the hips with legs not spread open far.
Model 2 has knees slightly bent and her back arched close to the maximum also with legs not spread widely.
Model 3 the real human woman is clearly on her knees though that's cut out of the photo here and while her back is slightly arched it's only slightly plus her legs are separated clearly farther then the TPE dolls have legs positioned , as for the entry holes I have to agree they do look more inviting as it is impossible to have a sphincter on a TPE doll and usually the vagina will be slightly opened as the legs are spread wider , but in defense of the dolls real women also have a tendency their vag will open slightly too.
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If you shop around you will find some doll makers have tackled this issue rather well
You've seen the YL170 and the IronTech 168cm have very nice vagina and anus entry's looking anatomically correct and very inviting also I believe , just an example as there are others , besides just like in real life woman , women have different distances between their entry holes , no two are exactly the same but there is a set of differences that are most common , that is the universal differences of every woman.
Now finally the subject of body types
The WM 168 super thin A cup was the first of her kind in the doll world
She was the attempt to please a very large crowd of us doll lovers who had been asking for a tall supermodel body with small breasts and low body weight.
Since then we can see the doll makers have been working hard to create more realistic body's and the 166bcup in this thread is a perfect example of that innovation and evolution in practice.
In this photo we see two completely different body types ,
Model 1 here has a wonderful example of a tall thin model who also has somewhat muscular thighs and a very nice hip to waistline ratio.
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Model 2 has the look that at one time the supermodel industry preferred for hanging the clothing on the body , it's my opinion that was a very dark period in fashion industry... and like I mentioned before this doll was the 1st of her kind and more of an experiment and attempt to satisfy a large crowd that had been asking for the tall dolls with small and more realistic breasts.
I personally never liked this doll as it's not my cup of jo but there are some who may like her still , it's a matter of variety.
I have to admit on this doll in particular the lower legs is too long but you have to keep in mind this doll body is very old and was an attempt to make a tall doll that is thin.
WM and many others have made great advancements and they are continuing to look for ways to improve the look and also make the dolls less heavy which is a very difficult thing to do without having structural failures or having dolls increase in price tag to an obscene amount.
Now it is my opinion that the WM166 b cup is every bit just like this model 1 in that photo above , that's my opinion and you think otherwise that's your opinion.
As for the IronTech 168cm b cup Hips size difference to the pornstars hip size...
THANK GOD !
96cm hips are so perfect
Her hips and ass are so soft and squeezable it's amazing !
A small buttocks would've ruined this doll and her ass wouldn't be so nice looking and feeling.
IronTech really hit a homerun with this doll body
Now they just really have got to make much better faces...
The faces they offering now are horrible to say the least.
They need to improve the heads look and size for taller dolls.
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