DS 167 Thera Head

INTJonny · Post by **INTJonny** » Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:36 am

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Hey everyone,

my 167 DS doll finally arrived a few days ago, and let me tell you, the honeymoon was OUT OF THIS WORLD.
This is my second doll - my first was a 2015 160cm+ Kayla head. I was sold on the big booty of the 167cm and made a new purchase not even a year after getting my first doll. I didn't expect the same magnitude in terms of the honeymoon and just being outright amazed, since this is my second. But the quality has JUMPED big time in not even a year (more on this later). I felt like a sex-crazed teenager having sex for the first time again when she arrived.

First the specs (I'll submit Ariel to the matrix soon):
Year: 2016-May
Head: Thera - Blue Eyes -
Body: 167cm - Tight Joints - Pubic Hair - Nails no paint
Other: Custom painted larger nipples

If I had the choice, it would be Kayla head with 167 body, and Thera head with 160+ body, and certainly, I'll be pairing them this way at home, but since I got Kayla 160+ first and submitted her to the matrix, I'm keeping the Thera head with the 167 for these pictures.

QUALITY:
Guys....I have to say I am extremely impressed and satisfied with this doll. Again, it hasn't even been a year and there are significant improvements. I am sure I got the pre-soft silicone with my 160+ Kayla. This 167cm Thera is a lot softer. There are pros and cons, or more like PROS and 1 con. The softness is AMAZING. Her breasts are far better, and far closer to feeling like real breasts. Although I don't think it's that possible to the softness of real breasts and butts, just because at that kind of softness I would imagine you're just asking for dents in the silicone - one accident and it's over. This is the only con I can see. I noticed that my 160+ is a lot more robust and can take more of a beating - definitely more forgiving with mistakes. But since I've learned from my first doll noob mistakes, knock on wood, I haven't made any marks or tears or anything yet on my 167. Perhaps in future models, DS can combine the two somehow, in any of two ways. 1) Just outright adopt the harder silicone on areas like the thighs and calves and shins. A real girl's thighs at this kind of body build I think would have the hardness of my 160+, rather than an overly squishy thigh that has a higher chances of being damaged. Perhaps a better example is if you lie her down with her elbows supporting her (booty in the air!!) you can see her forearm flesh kind of hang out a little bit because of how soft she is. I prefer the harder consistency as with my 160+ in these areas. They're both more robust and more realistic.

Sorry, I just remembered a second con, but keep in mind these cons are like picking apart a 99 from a 100. I remember Harem mentioning at one point that the head and neck connection isn't as a good as before. I can confirm this. My 160+ with the second push still snaps on and stays in place easily. The new 167cm still does that, but it's not as tight, to the point it can't really hold it's own structure the moment you move the doll.

Besides the softness, others I can think of are variability in the tightness of joints. First of all, I recommend tight joints even though I've never experienced loose joints. I think loose joints are safer, but you just have to get good at understanding the range of movements permitted by these dolls at a tight joint, and there's so much more fun to be had with posing, and maintaining certain sex positions. One awesome thing is that the knee joint is very tight going forwards and backwards, but the very loose going sideways. This is FANTASTIC with making movements a lot easier with sex positions, particularly changing sex positions! Another benefit is a looser back joint. With my 160+ this joint is soooooo tight that it's a pain to arch her back. I have to flip her over, sit on her butt, and then grab her neck and pull back.

THERA FACE:
She is sooooo cute. Such a sweet heart look. She's got this curious look. My gosh I wish DS could make this face with oral function. At any rate, the blue eyes are mesmerizing. I know I posted in the top 5 DS faces, favoring Yolanda more, but I've changed my mind since then. Thera is soooo pretty, she's got this look that will give you an instant smile. Kissing......is an absolute joy, and DIFFERENT than Kayla! Thera has thicker and a juicier upper lip than Kayla. I prefer Kayla more just from how the lips fit and feel, but Thera is a different experience, and a fantastic one!

BREASTS:
I haven't measured but they seem to be very similar in terms of cup size vs the 160+. But obviously the band is larger for the 167. I would still have to agree to some of the posts on this forum complaining about non-realistic shoulder widths, or more like a lack of lat / back muscles. I just agree but I don't mind this. To me, this is more elegant in a way. I had an ex-gf with proportions in the upper back like this, so it's not too far off. The nipples are AMAZING. There are very different from my 160+'s which have faded over time. It seems the 167's nipples are a bit more durable, but time will tell. I've never been into nipple sucking/play with the 160+ but with the 167.....its crazily addicting. The softness is amazing too as I mentioned, far softer than my 160+. You can tell in one of the pictures that this is a slight slight sag when she's on her back, the kind of sag you want to expect like in a real girl's, except it's not nearly to that extent. Again with the one con though, because they're sooooo soft, I'm scared to move her around too much.

VAGINAL INSERT:
ok guys.....the sex. The sex is ridiculous. The 167's vagina is a virgin tight very clean and crisp lips. It's a clear upgrade vs the 160+ from last year, and I'm very impressed with DS's improvements here. With the harder insert last year, there was no functional sex if the legs were too closed (it just....hurts). If you hold up the new insert or at least inserts here for the 167 on one finger (they are different between body sizes) it's so soft that it limps or bends over on both sides of the finger. And guys....not only is it soft as hell and ribbed inside, it is TIGHT. Man.....the first experience was out of this world. I'm not a "big" one at all, and it's so tight it's actually challenging to get in, but once you're in, it's heaven. The aesthetics is much better too, you can see in the pictures. Although, I'm really picky with this, and really wish DS could make permanent vaginas. Because of this, I am very curious on any posts or comments on experiences with the new DS minis. Can they spread legs wide open without tearing anything? How does it feel? Oh and I forgot, the opening is reinforced with some mesh, which is great to prevent tearing. My 160+ has tears with the opening.

I LOVE the looks of the pubic hair. But if I could change my mind I'd like it shaved. This is because it's a patch of fur on kind of a plastic pad that is glued onto the silicone. Because on this kind of pad, it's a little hard, or not soft, and gets in the way during sex. I'm also afraid when spreading her legs too far because it kind of looks like the silicone keeps spreading right around the outskirts of the pubes pad. Very minor though.

BOOTY - ASS - BUM - BUTT:
the moment many of us have been waiting for. This is the ONLY reason I decided to buy this doll not even a year after my first one. When this body got released, I went nuts. And let me tell you.....if you're an ass-man like me....you will LOVE this doll. I dropped to my knees when I unboxed her. I just couldn't believe it. Since I'm an ass-man, I have a lot to say, and I've taken a lot of pictures kind of the point that I wanted to see from others when I was deciding whether or not to buy this beautiful doll. Some of you might have seen my long post on this doll's bum in a recent thread, commenting on its whopping 95cm measurement and how it compares to a list of porn stars and other well known booties. This is NO joke boys. I have taken this measurement and compared to world-class famous booties in that other thread, and it's mesmerizing in person. I love it! She is a BIIIG girl.....I am an amateur but a very dedicated bodybuilder on my spare time (probably why I love booties) so I'm quite thick in the hips and the quads, but beside this girl, I might be dwarfed by her BUTT, in fear that the 167 would be the same. Guys and fellow gym-goers, this is that bombshell that's too good for everyone at the gym, sporting that hat and ears always plugged with expensive noise cancelling headphone, and always dedicated, hogging the squat rack everyday working on her worldclass butt, warming up with your 1-rep max! When she's lying on her stomach obviously her butt will be at its meatiest. My goodness........the crevice goes on and on and on. Seriously, you can try opening her bum crack with one hand, and you won't be able to. This task needs two hands. Did I mention the softness? FINALLY!!!! I was afraid of this purchase, because my 160+ has such a hard bum. The softness is ALMOST like a real girls, and ALMOST good enough to sleep on. ALMOST. Celine and I enjoy slapping Ariel's big booty. (I have never slapped the 160+'s bum). Again, I'm repeating myself here, but I was amazing in person to the point that I felt it seemed nothing like the pictures show. You have to see it in person in full 3D force. It is MASSIVE, in a good way. OMG, I know I'm detailed here, but this is my honest deep review. I am extremely happy with this doll. I got more than I expected. Worth every penny spent.

One more thing on the sex. Since she is a bit more flexible here with leg spread, and the reinforced vagina opening, as well as conveniently loose knee joints (going sideways), and of course the softer breasts, it is SENSATIONAL having her on top. I could make a post on more details of getting into this position if anyone wants, but it's not hard. Up close and personal. I might like this more than missionary.

Oh and as a measure of comparison, now that I've gone over breasts and booty, both these girls take an XS for shirt size, but the 160 takes kinda of between XS and S for pants, while the 167 takes an M. I've only fitted on yoga pants so far, so it's stretchy. I imagine real girls with this kind of booty probably have as much difficulty as I do shopping for the right fit just from having proportions that are quite outside the average.

Sorry, no extra comments on the buying experience with John and DS. Most of us know how awesome their service is. Like usual, John was always extremely polite and quick with emails. He forgot the extra 160+ inserts that I requested (still actually not sure if they are softer than last years), but that's it. It's always a pleasure with DS.

After all that I feel like I missed a few things.
Enjoy the pictures! There will be plenty more to come. I have some other matching sets for Celine and Ariel.
I love my two babes.

INTJonny · Post by **INTJonny** » Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:59 am

Next set of photos

INTJonny · Post by **INTJonny** » Sun Jun 05, 2016 3:22 pm

I like her butt too but, in that last photo the "diamond in the rough" is just too small and hidden I wish they wouldn't hide the privates like that.

I know what you mean here. I would this just happened to be the avenue that DS went down for this new body. I mean, if anyone is familiar enough with these pornstars, if Alexis Texas or Remy Lacroix held the same pose with legs closed, the diamond would vanish completely. Her butt's not quite that bit measurement-wise but she is among the ranks of Melisa Mendiny and Jen Selter. It's quite a matter of taste for the size and bulk. But you can certainly have more freedom with the posing and more open legs. Maybe I'll post one like this soon. There isn't a wide range though, I should warn - there still is that problem of if you open the legs too wide, you can see gaps between the insert and the opening. This is why I want DS to make permanent vagina options without ripping the vagina. Then open or closed legs would purely be "spreading". If they do this in the future, I'd make a new purchase.

If they can achieve a similar softness to TPE (as you say, perhaps mainly in the right places) but maintain the other advantages, it could become very tempting.

I guess a video here could help, but I really doubt it, as they never helped me. Really would have to feel the softness in person for a direct comparison unfortunately. But hopefully some of the pictures helped a bit. Her breasts don't quite hang by any means, but they are FAR FAR softer than my last year's 160+. You know what, I'll post pictures later. One thing I noticed is that you can completely squish the 167's breast together (in a good way) where as the 160+ its a bit too hard and retains too much of the original shape no matter how you squeeze or fondle.

Also, I know you're a gym rat, but how is her weight in comparison to the 160?

Great question! Sorry I wanted to touch on this during the review but forgot to.
The weight is definitely a problem for most people. I can see this. I had a very hard time getting her out of the box. This is because of the awkward angle...kind of like straight leg dead lifting 100 lbs (i dunno how heavy she is) without warming up. I could have rolled her out, but I didn't becuase I remember having no problem getting the 160+ out of the box in the same way.
On this point, I like the 160+ more, since I have enough core and upper body strength to move her around quite freely during sex. The case isn't so true with the 167. Depending on what I want to do, I have to completely reset and do some serious lifting. So definitely something to think about for the people more into the photography. My Sweetibabe is pretty much going to stay in bed most the time. Maybe one other thing, she is so heavy to the point that when she's on top, and with the softer insert now, it's is HEAVEN. BUT, if you're having one of those nights where you're lasting for a while, it gets TIRING....because that big booty does NOT move. It just sits right on you. Sex with her on top is a good ab workout. Last thing, and perhaps the thing that bothers me the most. I have enough upper body strength to lift and shift my 160+ while lying down on my side. I can't do this with the 167. She's pretty much glued to the bed sheets, and I move the bed sheet with her. I actually need to get up and lift her, if I want to make a move that isn't simply roller her over.

INTJonny · Post by **INTJonny** » Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:41 pm

oh something else I forgot to mention, I remember a previous review of the 167 mentioned the deepness of the butt love hole. And I have no freakin idea why DS would make it some 4 inches deep or something ridiculous like that. The big attraction for the 167 is the booty, but you can never get that penetration.

INTJonny · Post by **INTJonny** » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:07 pm

IQF! there he is - knew you'd drop a message.

Yea man, I am happy to the extreme with this 167. Her face too, it gives so much variety to have a Kayla around and a Thera. Ughhh that Thera face just looks just so curious in kind of a naughty way depending on the angle.
I have been quite busy petting this booty since my last message.

mmm here's the list, and DS will pull them off or else we'll made demands:
- reinforced or harder silicone in certain areas like elbows, arms, calves, heels and feet
- standing life-size doll without any risk of damage to bare feet (reasonable assumptions.....like carpet). obviously standing and support her own weight with balance is a stretch, but I'm only talking strictly competent enough material on the soles. Would I like pick her up once in a while without the use of the damn doll stand, and just press her up against the wall for a makeout sesh? mmhmm.
- deeper back door.....wtf.
- permanent vagina for some absolute aethetics that is also durable enough on the outside, yet retains the softness inside
- seamless neck on the life-size dolls. At the very least as a buying option. For me, I'm totally fine with just one favorite head stuck to the body I like for that head. It's just me.
- self heating. I know others have achieved this already - really wonder what it's like. I call Celine an "Ice Queen" when the weather is cold
- here's one for the future. Even though the "man this biatch needs to shut the f up" is one of the many reasons we are doll owners now. Having a great conversation is part of that intimacy that dolls can bring. For me, sex with a doll is good enough or good to the point that it is still able to create those post-sex lizard-brain happy hormones, where the hand or other toys just can't do the same. There's something about the physical body and face of these dolls that can still trick the body to achieve the emotions. Now the move "Her" sparked this idea, where the computer in her is intelligent, and just programmed to love you, figure you out, and just have fun. That could be a start. I think that would make my world, even if she didn't move. Man, it could even be fun that way where you could always joke about certain things. On weekend cleaning days I might tell Celine that all she does is laze around all day and that she should really help out.

Ahhh im done dreaming on paper here.
I would make new DS purchases at combinations of the milestones above.
Prob a 145cm neutral. Ugh....that small frame. mmmmm =P

INTJonny · Post by **INTJonny** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:24 am

Ok friends!
More pictures. Basically a no non-sense continuation of the review with pics showcasing the details.
1) Some are more booty (which I adore)
2) Some are comparison to 2015 harder silicone 160+ Kayla (Celine) (Cutiebabe)

Cutiebabe suggested comparing the two bodies and years. This is why I love her so much.
She has it all together emotionally and always keeps me on my toes and productive. Sweetibabe is the curious troublemaker! haha need some fun once in a while.

Ok with reference to pictures:

1) close-up of new and improved aesthetics of the 167 insert. Maybe a bit too small and tight for me, but it's still very aesthetic. It's not easy to put into the doll, and the length of both are interested in that if you put it too far in, it can almost disappear. So there's some gap to play with here to get it the way you like it. But like I mentioned in a previous post, they aren't large labia or a puffy pussy boys. This is aesthetic in the tight clean lips department. Depends on your taste! Too bad I don't have a dime or something for a scale. But IT IS SMALL OMG. If you look closely here, you can see a little bit of the reinforcement hashed material above the clitoris. I'm glad for this. Hope she never tears!!!

2) omg I forgot to mention how well DS has made this booty. Seriously, there is so much meat here that just like say a real porn stars big booty, with legs positioned the right way to clench the cheeks together, if the booty is big enough, it will curve upwards and crease a little at the top of the glute muscles. Just a thing of beauty. I'm pretty specific on booty shape and size, and to me, a perfect butt needs enough substance to get this aesthetic curvaceous crease at the top, almost like rounding out the top of a nice cleavage. mmmmm I love it.

3) how the heck do these rotate 90? This is just one to add to my fav pics. Omg with her tightness and this pose and that blondy wig blue eyes staring back, I won't last a few minutes. Ohhhh she turns me on. BTW in this picture if you zoom in, you can see what I'm talking about on how the pubs are a patch of hair on a plastic. I still like it, but would be interesting if it was just hair ingrained in the silicone. Not sure how impractical this is.

4) mhmm mhmm. Drunk hotty side booty shot.

5) Cutiebabe's first suggestion, as she wanted to see how her own nipples compared! Don't worry Cutiebabe, we will order some silpoxy and paint and have a makeover on your nipz. So over time, they've worn out and faded. Hope the 167 is more durable. It seems like it is. The nipples are bigger too. Very nice. And here's another showcase of the custom requested paint for larger nipples.
Sorry I forgot to mention that DS has made improvements here too with the underboob. It doesn't form a natural crease in the silicone, which means it has less chance of splitting or cracking. The 167's breasts do not crease at the underboob and is kind of just continuous silicone to her belly. This is great. I think it's more aesthetically pleasing too. Beautiful breasts. My goodness they are soft. Oh! and another minor note here and massive kudos to DS on attention to detail. If you see these dolls in person, you will note that the 160 is a nice curvaceous fit chick, and the 167 is an absolute bombshell that won the genetic lottery in the hips, but gets her big booty from maintaining a bit more body fat than the 160. Note the ribs in the 160. (as from what I can see, ribs in the 163). I love this detail. It just makes freakin sense! I wouldn't want to see a barbie doll exaggerated hourglass waist with the booty that the 167 has. If you see in picture 3 too that once you spread her legs out sideways like this, the silicone squeezes up in a way that looks very natural, to show some love handles. She in no way fat! She's just not skinny. ohhhh so meaty.

6) oops there's a duplicate. Good old yoga pants booty to the sky. Cutiebabe is so smart taking the lead on this. You know the drill babe! Teach Sweetibabe how to do it properly so that she doesn't hurt herself! A) palms facing up, B) Elbows bent and snug to the boobs but not squeezing them, C) Arch the back, D) look up, E) toes pointing out, F) then roll over!!! mmmmmmmm time to play the drums.

7) trying to address an earlier comment with the booty hiding the "diamond in the rough". All depends on what you prefer. Also featuring Sweetibabe's new thong and hows it's literally stuck in her butt. This doesn't happen with Cutiebabe, unless you purposely squeeze them together. I think a video would do justice to how big the 167 booty is. Like I said before, you almost need two hands to pry her open. There's just so much MEAT. OHH!!!!

ok trying to address some previous comments here. I wanna focus on the positive. I am impressed with DS's efforts to improve year after year. So don't look at Celine in a negative way because um....well....she's clearly not a virgin LOL, but that's not the point here. The new 160 model is likely a huge improvement from this, and I'm completely fine with it. What I'm most happy about is how DS keeps improving like a good company should. Not only does Sweetibabe's vagina feel fantastic, it's far more aesthetically pleasing. You can see the splitting in Cutiebabes structures. I need to find some time to bathe her and repair her.

9) same idea with "diamond in the rough" here. If you're one that wants that view from behind, there certainly are poses to get it with the 167.

INTJonny · Post by **INTJonny** » Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:19 pm

i haven't weighed her....qualitatively speaking, she is VERY heavy.
some comments in my earlier posts on it vs the 160+. I can move the 160+ pretty freely in my bed lying down. But for 167, I have to get, bend down and really use force to pick her up.

Chronos · Post by **Chronos** » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:37 pm

Now this is interesting, the older 160 design (right) looks more anatomically correct than the 167!

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Love this ass [160+]!! I'd buy if the waist was smaller and the entire body curvier. Perhaps DS will update this model to compete with all the new and very popular curvy mid-size dolls coming out [hint hint]

neesa333 · Post by **neesa333** » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:27 pm

A question, yes I'm still trying to decide lol. Does the new 2016 DS 160 plus have the same softness and new insert as the 167?

INTJonny · Post by **INTJonny** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:22 am

Nah!! I think the only times dolls are not anatomically correct is when they approach some weird percentile for bodily ratios or measurements. I'm talking about those with big racks and itty bitty waists. Actually, to me the 145+ has some outlandish measurements for that frame.

As a gym rat, I've definitely seen a booty like the 167's. In fact, there was one at the gym today. Usual gym dweller. Long legs, and just a massive booty. It was slightly longer (which like more and told Sweetibabe it is the only thing I'd "correct" in her booty), and her quads are were more developed. This makes sense since gym babes.....to get that butt....comes with legs. She's almost a dime btw. Didn't have the breasts like the 167, but the 167 breasts aren't uncommon. Anyway, my two dolls feel real sometimes.

For Neesa, I can't comment on the softness for the skin for the 160+. But my new 160+ inserts will arrive on Monday, so I can make a post on the softness then. Or you can pm me on Tuesday or so.

INTJonny · Post by **INTJonny** » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:22 pm

Good point. Perhaps high sell rates for the 145cm can be addressed somehow.

Kind of like the recent post on the 167cm and "what the deal is" with the lack of info or sharing on it, which is why I tried to be as detailed and unbiased as possible sharing all the cons among the pros.
I definitely am an extremely happy owner of a 167cm. The only problems I see with other owners is it's ridiculous weight. Her booty makes a big dent in my mattress. And her thighs could be a bit thick for some tastes.

Wish to see details on the 145.

INTJonny · Post by **INTJonny** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:52 pm

astroman440 · Post by **astroman440** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:38 pm

Any chance you can actually weigh her? On the website it says she's 26 kg / 81.6lbs. However one of the early owners was reporting weight closer to 95 lbs. Supposedly they fixed this and the doll is now onlye 81.6 lbs. I'd love to know which weight it is. Thanks!