Updated Review of Sabrina and the 153 cm TPE body.

jarhead · Post by **jarhead** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:25 am

original review: viewtopic.php?f=142&t=51496

Update to my original review, (this has been sitting on my computer for a while waiting for the manufacturer to respond (Chinese New Year) first questions went out Jan 27 still no reply, but I need to report this so others can learn more before purchasing):

I’ll start with the Sabrina head, while she’s a really pretty face the skin colour isn’t a hundred percent match for the body. Furthermore and I’m not sure about this but she seems to be turning a little grey and I will hazard a guess as to why; the base of the head is probably zinc and does stain the neck dark grey and it looks like its migrating through the TPE giving her cheeks a translucent grey tint.

The head when attached overly compresses the neck which is long and is probably designed to fit a head with a much deeper recess, a neck scarf hides this distortion but still ruins the look of the doll.

I've actually noticed another problem while waiting for the manufacturer to respond, the TPE skin on the epoxy skeleton/core isn't really bonded so that it actually rotates and bunches up easily. Like on the legs you'll notice waves across the skin which you can correct by messaging around until you locate the source that has stretched thinner. I first noticed this problem when Sabrina developed a kankle (fat ankle) <gross> fixed it by messaging the skin up her leg. Damm! my solid Reiko would never have this problem.
(Major Warning: Do not emmerse this doll in water!)

Worst yet, is the anger towards myself for my lack of “common sense” during this purchase. What is it about purchasing a doll (my second) that one ignores the fundamentals of shopping for an item sight unseen, like reading the actual product specifications which don't exist. These missing product specs should include; range of movement, construction of skeleton, detailed dimension, (MTBF) meantime between failure of joints and the like. I would never purchase an item for even a couple of hundred dollars without knowing the total product specification and reading at least half dozen end-user reviews.

Don’t get me wrong, this doll has some beautiful features and in my case her legs and body to look at when she’s laying down are awesome… but because of the change the manufacturer implemented in the torso for whatever reason after July 2013 which removed the hip to shoulder rotation and any spine arch adjustment without notifying new clients that relied on end-user reviews and photos solely. I now have a doll that cannot be posed like other dolls of the same type but slightly older manufacture. Play has been greatly diminished because of this.

What is it about purchasing an expensive doll that turns my brain to mush?

Summary: This is not a solid TPE doll! This is a jointed solid epoxy doll with TPE skin. Not as advertised and definitely not what I paid for!!

Note: The 153 cm TPE body is sold by Beautiful Dolls as the Tatiana and Blanka doll and by 1AM Dolls as the Renee

argyle74 · Post by **argyle74** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:11 am

Ug... Dum dum duuuuum. The other shoe drops. The fat lady has sung. The end is nigh. And they lived unhappily ever after. Thou shall not pass! ~Les Fin~

Obin · Post by **Obin** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:44 pm

jarhead wrote:...because of the change the manufacturer implemented in the torso for whatever reason after July 2013 which removed the hip to shoulder rotation and any spine arch adjustment without notifying new clients that relied on end-user reviews and photos solely. I now have a doll that cannot be posed like other dolls of the same type but slightly older manufacture. Play has been greatly diminished because of this.

It's sad when such notifications aren't made.

I agree; she does have a great looking body!

Can the neck be cut down to accommodate the Sabrina head? I imagine that if such a modification were made, fitting a Blanka or Tatiana head wouldn't work properly afterward.

Post by **beautifuldolls** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:52 pm

Also we didn't know that this thing in the doll was changed... I think nobody was notificated. The manufacturer said that he decided that the joint that is responsable for this movement were useless...
The thing that makes me worried is that jarhead says that the doll is not solid. We need to talk with the manufacturer about it. I know for sure that the 153 cm body of theirs should be solid.

We will be in touch.

Ross · Post by **Ross** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:01 pm

I can identify some of those things to my doll , Emma-Clara too.

skin on her thighs has been loose and I would also know whats about " the solid body ".

I have no problems with her head and the colour of the skin.

alex77 · Post by **alex77** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:40 am

"face skin color isn’t a hundred percent match for the body"
Sorry to hear that, my Amanda has the same problem, haha. If you do mind, suggest to apply base powder which comes with light to deep skin color of your choice. This powder stays very well, better than cornstarch or baby powder, kissable (haha). Its meant as base for further application of blusher and eye shadow for ladies

"turning a little grey"
For my lady's fingers, it is very common issue after few rounds of dressing, especially dresses with lace, irregardless of colored or transparent. But can easily washed off during shower. I also realized that if I applied more rounds of powder this will not happened too frequently.
On cheeks, no, it never happened. Whenever I dress her up, I will carefully avoid contact with her face in case it mess up her makeup,lip gloss and eye lashes. But still, after sometime, her face may have some very very light greyish stain (actually its dirt) which can be easily removed by deep cleansing oil (makeup remover). Drop plenty of oil onto her face, use yr finger to rub in few rotation or in single direction (not back and forth) from inner to outer cheeks. Tap with light rub to absorb dirty greyish oil with tissue. You should have a clean beautiful face again! This greyish substance is pure dirt and not coloring or stains.

If your "stain" is different from mine, can always upload your photo so that we can analyze for you.

"TPE skin on the epoxy skeleton/core isn't really bonded"
May I ask you are referring to a section or at large. I am a very daring doll owner and if my doll has this problem, probably I will use syringe to inject the given adhesive into it. Should bond well, I had tried on her neck opening. You might need to ask for more glue from maker.

"The head when attached overly compresses the neck which is long and is probably designed to fit a head with a much deeper recess, a neck scarf hides this distortion but still ruins the look of the doll."
I don't get you on this issue, can you upload photos from different angles?

Changing spec is very common in any consumer item. Normally will not disclosed in any statement. For example, a particular car model that previously had some major/minor defects will be modified without further notice to new car owners. I am not sure of other countries, but its very common in China for not disclosing. So, don't feel depressed, it might be for your own good

range of movement
Don't bother, they will advise not to lift her legs more than 90 deg. But, we always push her legs to the side of her face. Their advice is not to sit with cross legs which I always do

construction of skeleton
Well, they kept this very secretly in case been copied

detailed dimension
Reseller should have this info

A fair comment:
Presently they have 2 body types, ie, 135 and 153. No doubts, 135 is a better doll which is full TPE. Its softer and has more realistic feel than 153 model. It's 25kgs wt & is not difficult to handle with.
Macy is tailor made for 135 model where Sabrina and Asami's head is slightly bigger by 10mm to catered for both. By the way, your dearest doll should be Asami.

Obin · Post by **Obin** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:10 am

Wow, Alex77! your reply is eloquent.

jarhead · Post by **jarhead** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:46 am

beautifuldolls wrote:Also we didn't know that this thing in the doll was changed... I think nobody was notificated. The manufacturer said that he decided that the joint that is responsable for this movement were useless...
The thing that makes me worried is that jarhead says that the doll is not solid. We need to talk with the manufacturer about it. I know for sure that the 153 cm body of theirs should be solid.

We will be in touch.

BD, the doll is solid... solid epoxy! Chest, Adomen, Thigh and Leg are epoxy with 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch TPE covering. Feet, Ankles, Knee, Arms and Neck solid TPE. Ass and Breast about 2 inches of TPE. This is a very firm doll, very little give when laying with her.

alex77 wrote:"turning a little grey"
...(actually its dirt)...

First off, thanks for your post, please don't take any of my wording as anger towards you. I appreciate your comments.
No not dirty. I keep her in a very clean storage box (and have washed her face and body a couple of times) and I can see the difference between surface dirt and deeper discoloration, i've uploaded pictures but they don't seem to show the grey tint that I see.

alex77 wrote:...use syringe to inject the given adhesive into it...

I think the bond that may have existed has released on the limbs because leg movement exerts a lot stretch to the 1/2 inch TPE skin over the large surface area of the epoxy structure underneath and any attempt to glue it will result in the same problem with time and may also introduce new problems. I will continue to message her into place whenever displacement occurs.

alex77 wrote:Changing spec is very common in any consumer item...

Yes I agree, but as in your example of the car; they can fix a major/minor defect without telling you but if it changes or removes an attribute that you expected at the time of purchase they will need to tell you before delivery. For instance, we expect an adjustable seat but the manufacturer changes it for a fixed unadjustable seat... do you accept it? This is why we need manufacter specifications and there is nothing top secret about them. They don't have to specify raw material formulas or type of steel used in joints just the basic features we should expect when we recieve our purchase.

alex77 wrote:range of movement

I don't have an issue with the range of movement, I have an issue with the lack of movement in an area that had it in online reviews, period. I knew at the time of purchase that this doll couldn't squat, that the thigh and leg couldn't come together by bending the knees and at the time of purchase I decided that this was acceptable.

alex77 wrote:construction of skeleton
Well, they kept this very secretly in case been copied

I disagree with you here. They kept it secret not because someone might copy it (not rocket science this stuff) but because if I (the consumer) knew the inherent difficiencies due to the change in the skeleton I would not have purchased this doll. But I'm not asking for total product disclosure in a specification I'm asking for standard info that all doll manufactures should reveal and those that can offer better features such joint movement or more detail will be the successful manufacturer in a ever growing and competitive market.

alex77 wrote:By the way, your dearest doll should be Asami.

My god! You are right!! I ordered Sabrina and received Asami... didn't even think about it with all the other issues but I did order Sabrina because I wanted a closed mouth and a more confident smile, dam.

You also write: "Presently they have 2 body types, ie, 135 and 153. No doubts, 135 is a better doll which is full TPE. Its softer and has more realistic feel than 153 model."
Again I choose 153 because of breast size and body height fully expecting a soft girl like the 135 cm... how could I know that I was going to be totally deceived by the manufacturer?

Two pictures of my Sabrina head... NOT... it's actually Asami.
Trying to show the grey and doesn't show.

alex77 · Post by **alex77** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:25 am

1. Try to take pic away from sunlight and opts no flash, might work.

2. If you eventually wish to try gluing and unsure the procedure, PM me.

3. I notice cotton thread in her eyes, simply remove with forceps and she will look prettier

4. I bought this doll because of beautiful Macy face. When I received both Macy and Sabrina, I turned to Sabrina immediately. But when Asami arrived and fixed with rabbit teeth, all my attention drawn towards her. Practically she is on my bed all nights. What a fickle minded person I am! :haha4:

Just to share with you how beautiful our Asami(s) are, without makeup

: Amanda testing with her new evening gown; P2121947.JPG (28.48 KiB) Viewed 2499 times

Obin · Post by **Obin** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:45 pm

I hope I pick up some on the excellent communication skills exhibited in this thread.

Surely, I hope for the best outcome.

jarhead · Post by **jarhead** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:59 am

Obin wrote:I hope I pick up some on the excellent communication skills exhibited in this thread.

Surely, I hope for the best outcome.

Surely Obin, you are kidding? Your communication skills are superb!

As to outcome, we as a group already have improved on the "outcome", while I may not personally on this purchase. The more we discuss the deficiencies of our purchases without regard to the sellers and manufacturers reputations and any favor we may hope they grant us on our future purchases, we help to evolve the industry.

If the doll manufacturers continue to not provide product specifications then maybe we need to start writing them ourselves and store them in a modified Doll Matrix.

Something like this:
Manufacturer and/or Seller: IAM, Beautiful-Dolls
Known Name: Renee, Tatianna, Blanka
Body Type: Jointed solid epoxy core with TPE skin
Body Height: 153 cm
Joints:

Image only an example but you can get the gist of it.
So on:
So on:

Zarnon · Post by **Zarnon** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:35 am

Yep. This is the value of a forum like this. Until I know these issues have resolved there's no way I'm buying this doll. The solid core sounds like it erases all the advantage of using TPE. Pity because the solid TPE doll I have is so wonderful. The loose knees and overly stiff joints bother me as well. If your doll can't hold a pose that's trouble for photos but for me it also detracts during sex. I like to reposition the doll and maybe have her legs around me or one side lifting up so it's easy to hold that beautiful butt. The last is the obvious color mismatch. Given my 135 cm doll uses these heads and the color is perfect I'm wondering if there's two manufacturers and this company is 'borrowing' the heads from another.

LaDollyVita · Post by **LaDollyVita** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:15 am

Unrelated, but I read all Zarnon's posts in the voice of Dale from King of the Hill thanks to his avatar.

LWhisperer · Post by **LWhisperer** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:04 pm

I'm so sorry for your pain, Jarhead.

I'm betting you live in a region that was close to or subzero when your doll was shipped there, and you heated her a time or two in hot tub water??? And you bathed her and the metal is slowly oxidizing?
I have an equivalent of BD's Yoko that I've discussed before. 148cm. 65lbs. About 15 months old, with issues over time, but none as bad as yours. I also have a 135cm that is much improved, softer, all tpe to the skeleton, only 55lbs, and only issues are the arm and shoulder joints are tight as hell.

Having had the first doll for over a year, I tried multiple times to put my two cents in a couple of months ago about the issues I saw and could forsee. I tried to tell people not to immerse the dolls, and a doll manufacturer created a thread telling peebs to go ahead and do it. I tried to tell people about how the tpe only adheres to itself AROUND the skeleton, and not to purchase a tpe doll over 55lbs. I gave up trying to tell peebs about the skeletons, the nature of some of the dolls and which ones were better, and the issues others had with certain types when a forum member that HAD a problem bitched in a thread, got a "magic" pm from the manufacturer, and then pulled a 180, praising the doll and openly challenging me and telling the forum that I obviously have no doll and don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I got sick of members with possible agendas making me look like an idiot.
Maybe I should've bitched more. It's funny...I felt like an ass because of my bitching and peebs putting me down for it. And now I feel like an ass for shutting up and not getting my point across then. Can't win.
Well, now you know. And I can't do anything to change it, but I still feel bad.

jarhead · Post by **jarhead** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:38 pm

Zarnon wrote:...Given my 135 cm doll uses these heads and the color is perfect ...

Strange, which 135 cm doll, is it Macy? Because I thought that Macy and Tatiana where from the same manufacturer. I could be wrong. But this may be a mute point because it turns out that I actually received the wrong head with my order so perhaps the head I recieved was for a different doll with a different skin color. We will see when BD corrects this error.

LWhisperer wrote:I'm so sorry for your pain, Jarhead. I'm betting you live in a region that was close to or subzero when your doll was shipped there, and you heated her a time or two in hot tub water??? And you bathed her and the metal is slowly oxidizing? ...

Yes subzero region, but picked her up at the FedEx office. She was mildly cool when we first met but warmed up to me gradualy. I would never submerge a doll in water and only issued the water warning in my previous post because I've noticed that the skin isn't bonded very well to the epoxy structure and the insert area would allow her to fill with water and she would mildew before you could ever dry her out.

LWhisperer wrote:...when a forum member that HAD a problem bitched in a thread, got a "magic" pm from the manufacturer, and then pulled a 180, praising the doll and openly challenging me and telling the forum that I obviously have no doll and don't know what the hell I'm talking about...

Yes, your dammed if you do or do not! I feel for you. I am sure there are a couple of forum users that are fictitious and owned by manufacturers and sales people as tools to build product buzz. But hey! I'm a buyer, reviewing and giving out information and opinions that forum users can choose to use or ignore.

I repeat if product specifications existed for these dolls then my review could only have been whether or not the manufacture supplied the product to specification and how well the product suited my needs and me. It would not become an exposé about the product.