Irontechdoll new male dolls collection.

[irontechdoll]

Dear members,
I am so excited to share our new male dolls here. Hopefully, some of them can touch you. By now we have 162cm TPE male dolls, 175cm Male dolls. We have 5 TPE male doll faces and two slicone male doll faces. Also we have TPE male doll torso. In a few months later, there will be a totally new full silicone male doll ready. We are trying to recover all the details a real man will enjoy. So it takes longer time to polish. If you have any questions or suggestions, please feel free to let us know.
Please visit the link below for more product details.
https://www.irontechdoll.com/products/t ... male-dolls

Please check some of our male doll photos. The sculpture is 176cm full silicone male doll which I mentioned above.

Best regards
Leonard

[irontechdoll]

Dear members,
Just missed the full silicone male doll scupture. I will keep you guys updated.

Best regards
Leonard

[Sekhmet]

Dear members,
I am so excited to share our new male dolls here. We are trying to recover all the details a real man will enjoy. So it takes longer time to polish. If you have any questions or suggestions, please feel free to let us know.
Please visit the link below for more product details.
https://www.irontechdoll.com/products/t ... male-dolls

Please check some of our male doll photos. The sculpture is 176cm full silicone male doll which I mentioned above.

Best regards
Leonard

I appreciate the work you have done on these new dolls, they're quite handsome and realistic and you're making dolls of different races and ages which is good.

However, I don't understand why you're making your dolls taller and heavier. Women buy male dolls too, not just men. And even men would find it difficult to lift or manipulate a 175+ cm TPE or silicone doll that weighs at least 50 kg. The heavier they are, the less we can do with them. I can't do photo shoots or have sex with a doll that weighs more than I can lift or move safely without injuring myself. You're making older dolls, I assume to attract older customers. Older customers like me can have back and joint problems and are less able to manipulate a 50-60 kg doll.

I'm a woman who recently purchased one of your dolls, the 162 cm Charles. I received him almost a month ago. It was the first time I ever purchased a TPE doll. First of all the weight listed for this doll is 83 lb. A big reason I chose this doll was because the advertised weight was lower than other dolls and he was a bit smaller than the other dolls. It turns out he weighs 30 lb more. If I had known I wouldn't have chosen this model. I know how much I can lift, I'm disabled and didn't want a doll that was too heavy.

That doll lay on my bathroom floor without a head for 2 weeks because I had to buy equipment to lift and move it. I had to spend nearly $500 on an electric hoist, a wheelchair, a patient transfer board, and other equipment - just to get him off the floor. Now he's in the wheelchair and he's been there ever since. I don't know what else I can do with him at this point. I like the doll, he's attractive and sexy and I wish I could do more with him. But I'm afraid to even try taking him out of the wheelchair because I can't lift him or even hold him upright to stand (his knees collapse).

So now I'm looking at buying a lighter fabric doll to do things that "Charles" is too heavy for, like cuddling in bed or sex. If you really want to make money selling male sex dolls I strongly urge you to start looking for ways to make them lighter and more manageable for a woman, instead of going in the opposite direction and making them taller and heavier. Believe it or not most people don't want a male doll that's over 6 feet tall and requires an electric hoist to move. I see that you're developing a silicone doll, they can be designed with a foam core to make them lighter.

[jazzman]

Sekmet states "First of all the weight listed for this doll is 83 lb. A big reason I chose this doll was because the advertised weight was lower than other dolls and he was a bit smaller than the other dolls. It turns out he weighs 30 lb more. If I had known I wouldn't have chosen this model. I know how much I can lift, I'm disabled and didn't want a doll that was too heavy.".

I strongly feel that selling a doll nearly 50 % above advertised weight is fraudulent. If there was a vendor involved then they have to take responsibility for representing a fraudulent company. The doll should be picked up at their cost and replaced with the advertised doll of 83 lbs immediately.

I feel the purpose and value of this forum is foremost to support others in their quest for healthy companionate fulfillment or esthetic art appreciation through the dolls, so not only to showcase products but also to identify errant manufacturers and products. When it is clear the manufacturer is lying and putting peoples health and safety at risk in this manner ( whether through toxic TPE or lying about product weight, they should be banned from the forum until such time as they have earned back trust.

This company is not operating in good faith which is a basic expectation in sales and marketing. They must offer an explanation for this fraud. If the doll weighs 12O then for gods sake state that fact on your site and stop cheating your customers by taking their money and not supplying what you advertized!!!

[SpartanLover]

Customs can interpret short dolls as childlike, which are illegal in several US states, UK, Australia, and possibly in Canada, with more jurisdictions constantly joining. 5'3+ with a developed build is the future of male dolls. Currently, dolls have to be made of solid TPE and silicone, which is heavy. There are some weight-reducing experimental techniques, but they are in their infancy and there are issues with them in their current state.

Not all manufacturers post accurate weight and height. I recommend checking our site for in-house measured weight and height.

[Z-Dollman]

Quite frankly, I find this "war on shorter dolls" to be total bullshit. I get that its going on in parts of the world, but that doesn't make it okay in my book. I know a LOT of people my age who are shorter than me and I'm 5'4". There is NO reason for shorter dolls to be seized if the heads are properly aged to match the bodies. No flat chested shorter dolls. All short dolls having pubic hair. These are simple things that already exist with most short dolls.

I live in the US and own a dozen dolls. ALL but two are 5'3" or under. Seven of them are 5'1" or under. I have not had a single issue with customs. ALL my dolls that are under 5'3" have VERY adult looking bodies despite being shorter. In my opinion, the issue with the shorter dolls is NOT the bodies (for the most part) its the heads.

Too many vendors don't seriously consider the hardship that doll weight places on doll owners. While I certainly agree that a LOT of women buy male dolls too, most of the gay men (and non-straight or non-cis men) I've spoken to or become aware of are not young guys who can lift 100lbs easily. Most of us guys who own male dolls are over 30y/o. Not all, but most.

You can still find a great doll between the heights of 4'7" and 5'3" and all the ones I own that height are under 75lbs (with the exception of one).

While I ABSOLUTELY love the frame and masculine look of the IT dolls, my reason for not buying one is the weight. With the amount of dolls I have, which I've gotten from a variety of vendors, I can't afford to have dolls that are immobilized due to weight.

[irontechdoll]

The reason why we keep bigger normal sized doll is that many customers is asking for realistic male doll. But the full silicone doll will be less heavy as we will use weight reduction for the doll.

Thanks for all your precious suggestions. We will try to find the best balanced point and show you the results soon.

Best regards
Leonard

[Fiveldsp]

The reality of the situation is that there really isn't a proven and cost-effective method of creating realistically-sized dolls at a low weight. I would really like an electric car for less than $20K but it just isn't possible right now. Now, with that being said, I do think that more attention should be given to making sure manufacturers and vendors are accurate on the weight of their dolls as it is a really important spec when customers are contemplating which to get. I think some frustration could be avoided if vendors were more accountable on providing honest specifications on their dolls. There is definitely a market for customers who want realistic dolls at a lower weight and manufacturers aren't blind to that realization. However, until they are able to come up with a solution for that, they shouldn't stop developing new dolls. The first to discover a way to make life-sized dolls with weight reduction is going to make a lot of money by tapping into this market and because of that, that is incentive enough for them to be working on it. Leonard was just trying to point out some new additions to their line-up and it pretty much turned into an attack thread.

[Z-Dollman]

The reason why we keep bigger normal sized doll is that many customers is asking for realistic male doll. But the full silicone doll will be less heavy as we will use weight reduction for the doll.

Thanks for all your precious suggestions. We will try to find the best balanced point and show you the results soon.

Best regards
Leonard

Just to clarify, my comment about the 'war on shorter dolls' was referring to customs seizing and countries banning them. It was NOT aimed at you. I agree that many people want 'normal sized dolls' and I am certainly one of them. The ONLY reason why I have shorter dolls (other than the fact that I'm short myself) is because they are lighter weight and easier to maneuver.

Unfortunately, silicone dolls don't feel as realistic as TPE (at least at present time) and are MUCH more expensive than many of us can afford. But by all means, the more selection, the better. I just hope that lighter weight TPE is possible. I DO know its possible, as does Muesky, since she is actually very skilled in that area.

[Sekhmet]

Customs can interpret short dolls as childlike, which are illegal in several US states, UK, Australia, and possibly in Canada, with more jurisdictions constantly joining. 5'3+ with a developed build is the future of male dolls. Currently, dolls have to be made of solid TPE and silicone, which is heavy. There are some weight-reducing experimental techniques, but they are in their infancy and there are issues with them in their current state.

Not all manufacturers post accurate weight and height. I recommend checking our site for in-house measured weight and height.

Re underreporting weights - that'll be grounds for a lawsuit someday if someone suffers a permanent injury trying to manage a doll that they were told is 30 or more lb lighter than its actual weight.

I didn't ask for dolls to be made shorter, I asked that they be made lighter in weight. Making them 5'2" as opposed to 5'9" would be one simple way to knock some weight off if you had the will to do it. Nor did I ask for male dolls to be childlike, though I've seen a number of childlike male dolls on sale that I wouldn't dare try to import into Canada. Clearly a 5'9" TPE or silicone doll is going to be heavier than one that's 5'4". That was why I questioned increasing the height of the dolls which leads to increased weights - at least, as long as no effort continues to be made to include foam cores or other weight reduction methods.

And riddle me this: why is it verboten to make a shorter male doll when men can buy anatomically correct 100 cm female "mini" dolls and not be accused of importing child pornography? I'm not asking for 100 cm, but I don't think 5 feet is too much (or little) to ask for a male doll, as long as the doll looks pubescent.

[Z-Dollman]

And riddle me this: why is it verboten to make a shorter male doll when men can buy anatomically correct 100 cm female "mini" dolls and not be accused of importing child pornography? I'm not asking for 100 cm, but I don't think 5 feet is too much (or little) to ask for a male doll, as long as the doll looks pubescent.

This is an extremely valid point.

While I think its not only understandable but sensible to have male dolls of various weights and heights, as the male doll community is vast, its becoming quite apparent to me (and a few others I've spoken too) that too much "misinformation" is being spread about what is and isn't possible. If something IS possible but not economically sensible, then such should be stated.

Whether its a doll vendor/manufacturer or a retail store/manufacturer of some other item. Businesses will often say something isn't available or possible when often times it is, BUT, they don't make any money (or they lose money) and rather than admit that, they lie and say it doesn't exist because its better for their bottom line. Other times, its merely innocent ignorance, some don't know and just assume it doesn't.

All in all, I do think its great that manufacturers such as IT are at least expanding on their male doll collections. So I commend them for that. But I also think its just as important that us doll owners and enthusiasts provide honest input on what we like and don't like.

I'd love to have a "manly man" doll my exact height (5'5") or even an inch or two taller, but there are NONE on the market over 5'3" that are under 100lbs. I get that its the TPE that is the heaviest, but I got a female doll that has 'jelly' breasts and they are far more lightweight than solid TPE.

The key is the core of the doll.

[true_blue22]

Dear members,
I am so excited to share our new male dolls here. Hopefully, some of them can touch you. By now we have 162cm TPE male dolls, 175cm Male dolls. We have 5 TPE male doll faces and two slicone male doll faces. Also we have TPE male doll torso. In a few months later, there will be a totally new full silicone male doll ready. We are trying to recover all the details a real man will enjoy. So it takes longer time to polish. If you have any questions or suggestions, please feel free to let us know.

Best regards
Leonard

Hi, Leonard. Here is my suggestion: PLEASE find a way to make your male dolls much lighter. As a woman, I don't have the strength that a man has in order to lift and manoeuvre a doll. This would also be helpful for people who have disabilities or back problems which restricts the amount of weight they are capable of lifting. I would love to buy an Irontech doll because I find your males the most attractive. But I've been informed by some members here that they weigh much more than their listed weights - and I have a lower back problem which limits how much weight I can lift. This saddens me because I've had to make my decision about which brand of doll to buy based solely on it's weight. You said you're working on a silicone doll - are you able to make this doll lighter than the existing TPE ones? I look forward to your reply.

[Z-Dollman]

I get what you're saying, trueblue, but at the same time keep in mind there are men who can't lift much and there are women who are bodybuilders. However, the former are more likely to want dolls than the latter. lol. But its a valid point for all. Its not young folks or gym bunnies who get dolls, for the most part.

I don't think there is any benefit to a heavy doll. Even if you just want the doll for sex, moving around +100lbs of deadweight when you're "in the moment" is very 'mood-killing'. You're basically stuck with one position per session for the most part. Then you have people who want these dolls for non-sexual companionship (or a combination of the two) and with them, its the same issue.

Really the only people that benefit from heavy dolls are those who use them only as statues or fashion accessories.

All this being said, from what I have gathered- there are THREE key components that people look for in male dolls and finding those three ALL in ONE doll is VERY hard to do.

Those three things are:

1) Manageable weight
2) Realistic build (masculine frame)
3) Realistic height (taller than 5'3")

Now, when you put those three together, its not an easy combo to combine into one. You can combine 2 and 3, but you will always have to deal with 1. Once thats resolved, the rest is gravy. Or whatever else they use as filler.

When you are trying to improve a product or expand your market to a larger base, the BEST thing you can do is take in customer advice. BUT, be honest in your responses to your customers.

For example, I had a video game that I played and MANY other gamers really disliked a feature that was not included. The VAST majority of gamers complained. The developer said it wasn't possible to do it. A fellow gamer found a way. The developer had to eat crow and fixed it, but by then the damage was done and the game sales tanked. Customers are loyal to businesses that are loyal...to honesty.

I don't aim any of that at any particular vendor or manufacturer. Its merely a blanket statement for all. Hopefully, that a bit of a comforter. haha, see what I did there? Put that with a mint under your pillow!

[Sekhmet]

If I had to narrow it down to one request to improve the experience with these dolls it would be this:

Report the weights accurately. Don't underreport. Don't remove the head to weigh it unless you notify the customer.

This would allow customers to make an INFORMED choice when buying a doll and avoid disappointment or getting stuck with a doll the customer can't move. And it wouldn't cost a nickel to implement.

[Fiveldsp]

If I had to narrow it down to one request to improve the experience with these dolls it would be this:

Report the weights accurately. Don't underreport. Don't remove the head to weigh it unless you notify the customer.

This would allow customers to make an INFORMED choice when buying a doll and avoid disappointment or getting stuck with a doll the customer can't move. And it wouldn't cost a nickel to implement.

This is certainly the immediate resolution that, quite frankly, is kind of a slap in the face when it isn't already like that. At any rate, it would remove most of the shock when that box shows up at our front doors and we can't get it in the house. Having said that, there are a lot of people who definitely underestimate what their ability to maneuver dead weight is. I'm only 5'2" but as someone who was always built like a wrestler, I actually don't mind my particular doll weighing 100 lbs. It isn't always the easiest to switch positions depending on the particular mood at the time but there are always several positions when that time comes and to me, his weight is a factor but not an obstacle. I actually find the weight very comforting and realistic in certain positions, whether that be cuddling or whatever. My biggest thing with a doll that is 5'3" is I feel like I have to be part-contortionist to sit on him and kiss him at the same time. He could definitely benefit from a couple more inches of torso heh.