Kandicaine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:52 am
Socratus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:24 am At least we agree on something, a tiny bit, but it's not masculinity or even the 'patriarchy', it's feminism and the push of everything to favor women while denigrating and bashing men unless they bow and become feminine.That is what's killing men.
Men used to be far more understanding of men than you think. This is why we had PRIVATE men's clubs. Boy scouts just for boys, etc, etc. Once upon a time men could talk as men (about anything including women), unfettered by women, be in men's groups and have a comaraderie (now only women can their private groups).
Anywhere he tries to get together as a group in the West he is dealt as a `toxic masculine' (that term you love using) threat and a woman must be in there to keep a watch on him. Men cannot be truly themselves when a woman is there; the atmos will always change to accomodate her.
Men have nowhere to turn to to be men. It's women today that have turned men into attacking eachother to suit women which is even worse now than ever before.
Hence men who just wish to be men have only their jobs to have any pride in, not themselves as men, and when they lose that become alone, desperate, feel useless and eventually top themselves.
Toxic feminism in Society today drove men to this, not masculinity. Masculinity helps men to power through, but that's being take away from him leaving him with nothing.
I'm not surprised you won't see this, many won't cos few truly care about a man's lot today since all the focus is on only women while no one cares about suicidal men.
Anyway I'm done here with this. It's clearly not gonna get anywhere, as usual and I don't have time or inclination to go into any more detail. Let Nature eventually prove the truth.
My dad killed himself, I’m much closer with suicide than most, don’t sit here and try and tell me you know why men kill themselves, that it’s because of feminism, when I’ve witnessed it myself, when I’ve lived it myself. You know nothing of masculinity and simply wish to blame women for your problems. I NEVER once saw my father cry, and he didn’t leave a note when he killed himself. He never told anyone what he felt. Nobody knew. He was just dead one day. THAT is toxic masculinity.
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Men have nowhere to turn to to be men. It's women today that have turned men into attacking eachother to suit women which is even worse now than ever before”
Most of us on this forum are men and I’m sorry if you think not being a part of the red pill echo chamber isn’t supporting you, but I speak the truth and I support you far more than anyone who reinforces this crap with you or anyone else.
Playing with action man isn’t toxic masculinity and if that’s what you think it is then that’s what you’ve been lied to believe. If that’s what you’ve inferred from what I’ve said then you haven’t read what I’ve written. You know what I would have loved as a kid? An Easy Bake Oven - I didn’t get one because
that’s a girls toy. That’s toxic masculinity. I just wanted to be a fat kid and eat cupcakes.
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Anywhere he tries to get together as a group in the West he is dealt as a `toxic masculine' (that term you love using) threat and a woman must be in there to keep a watch on him. Men cannot be truly themselves when a woman is there; the atmos will always change to accomodate her.”
In what way? Every time I’ve ever gone to the strip club is with women. Unless you just want to have a circle jerk blaming women for all the world’s problems there’s really nothing any different.
I blamed women and feminism for my being single when I was a child - then I grew up.
feminism did fuck things up but what really everything as we see today is the franfurt school and the great march in the institutions of communists/far leftists who have to everytging political so everyone fight each other while they take power by telling "you suffer from X because if muh "patriarchy", or "rascism" or whatever. my dad fled a country where communists had actually gone into universities and poor people to rally them to fight the governements with guns and the guerilla war started. (end phase of their bullshit).
so, having read how communism work via Yuri bezmanov, you got the demoralization phase EVERYTHING is treated as rascist, sexist, misogynist, bigoted, ect. This is cultural/psycological warfare at it's finest hammerred down for at least 60 years in the making. at first it's not overt, it's very small changes in language, definitions, values in movies and tv and stuff. then it goes all the way to today where are told in their faces they are toxic.
i read years of feminist propaganda in the newspaper as a teenager, 17 years ago. nobody told me it was mind poison designed to create self loathing and actual psychological distress. Add in the divorce "commercialisation" of divorce in the 60s inbmovies as being "something that happens" and "there is always a better man" along with the sexual revolution and here we are. all this shit and more come from the frankfurt school create in the 1920s, by the most disgusting people alive who hated whites more than anything the world and wanted to destroy america.
About toxic masculinity, we need it. otherwise people become pansies crying about shit, getting offended and doing riots. why? because nobody gave them a slap in the face. My parents got them, i got them. everyone in my country got them. the only who never got them are the criminals from single moms and actual dead beats dads and mom. if i wasn't a toxic man myself, i would never push myself to live, to go past my pain and do shit instead of being a fat slob. toxic masculinity built civilisations, celebrated strenght and created army that fought invaders, settled lands amd cultivated the earth.
i'm sorry for your dad, but mine is like him too because it goes down with wanting to keep the respect by being stoic. once a men proves himself weak, everone leaves. why? in times of crisis, he will fold. women leave theirs husbands once they know they are not the rock they thought they were MOST OF THE TIME, but there is exceptions. Men leave because if he folds, how can you rely on him when you need him?
i say i'm toxic, but my ancestors were far worse (spaniards), who were in the spanish inquisition and retook their country from the bankers and had a golden age thanks to toxic masculinity.
toxic masculinity do create victims like your dad and a lot of others. like everything in life, you pay a price and there is never a perfect system. the only system where truly everyone loses is with toxic femininity but it can offetted by being a transgender woman. (in my country, the women office is a transgender woman and all the "muh evil men" stuff got worse but also lots steam since now a man was the head of the feminists who was so bad, they stopped doing anything.
i'm old enough to understand that our current system is a matriarchy that is in it's tail end and devours everything it can. once ww3 starts it will all die the only thing that build and safe keep society is a patriarchy with strong masculine men capable of great violence but choosing peace.