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DO NOT BUY dolls of 140 or shorter! Vendor interrogated.

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A friend vendor writes:
I’m under investigation from the NCA (National Crime Agency) for the importation of child sex dolls.

Apparently in early April one of my dolls was seized by Customs – I was not notified of this, and on the tracking, it seemed to freeze at Stanford-Le-Hope.

Oddly, the doll had been through customs clearance at Hungary, so had already cleared EU Customs, so why UK customs were involved, I am unsure.

Enquiries with the courier UPS resulted in information stating that the shipper had to perform all enquiries, which I passed on to JinSan.

They simply replaced the doll, and everything sailed through customs fine (Courier FedEx).

The same thing happened around 3-4 weeks later.

The dolls in question were WM 140cm dolls – one large (DD/E), and one small breasted (B/C) – and this height (140cm or under) seems to be the threshold that the NCA were using to define what is a c****like sex doll.

They turned up at my residence, and asked if I would come with them for a voluntary interview at the local police station, which I agreed to.

While this was happening they searched my residence and seized all of my electronic equipment for forensic investigation.

They queried me to see if the main laptop was a business machine, which I told them yes, it is the main business machine, so they said they would image that machine first, and return it to me after the interview. I enquired about the mobile phone as this was a main telephone for the business also, and the best they could do, was to image the SIM card and keep the handset.

They did inform me that they did not seize two old Nokia (non-smart) mobile phones that I could use – this indicated to me that the search was simply to find images of c**** pornography on my equipment.

As I have absolutely no interest in anything of that sort, I co-operated fully with the authorities to the best of my ability.

During the interview I was asked all sorts of questions, but many of them around certain images from The-Doll-House website – asking “Do you not think this looks like a c****?” and “What do you think about c**** sex dolls?” and “Do you not think a doll of this height is too small to be an adult?”, which of course were all leading questions, and I dealt with them in a mature way. Mainly I kept redirecting the police to the whole concept of Bust-Waist-Hip ratios and Head-Body size ratios (which I believe have been covered on TDF), and the police did conceded that there is no current UK legislation covering this area, just the antiquated law from the late 1800’s regarding importation of obscene items. I referred the police to the Conegate case of the 80’s but I suspect that they were unaware of this.

The duty solicitor who was with me at the time had encouraged me to inform the police during the interview (which I did) regarding my original request for clarification of the legality of importing dolls, specifically of 120cm height and under, as there had been reports of seizures at that time. I submitted this to the Home Office in January 2017, and after the statutory 20 days, I enquired to the status of the enquiry, as I should have had a response by the end of the 20 days. I was told that the enquiry had been forwarded to the Ministry of Justice.

So another 20 days elapsed, and I enquired again, and received the boilerplate response that they acknowledge receipt of the enquiry and will be in contact within 20 days.

So another 20 days elapse, and I receive nothing.

I draft a hard copy complaint letter to the Ministry of Justice, outlining everything that has happened, and ultimately I receive nothing back from them – so I have traded on the basis of their recommendations, which is nothing.

The police seemed interested in this and requested a copy of all correspondence, which I have supplied to them.

Post interview – the police took me to our warehouse where they were performing a search there also, and they went through the full inventory of 20 dolls that we had in the warehouse.

3 of which were seized:
· A YL-135cm with Head #8
· A YL-128cm body with defined Abdominal muscles – no head
· A WM-136cm body with heads #107 & #59

The rest of the dolls were over 1140cm so they paid little attention to them.

Although of note, there was a YL155cm with the smaller breast, and they had to get a superior to look over the doll, and he only paid attention to the tape measure indicating the height, and dismissed the doll as adult.

So another laptop was taken from the warehouse, and my full time employee Charlie left somewhat perturbed by the whole situation, but apart from that, we were told that everything seized would be subject to investigation, and then the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) would decide if charges would be made.

In the meantime, I am aligning myself with a heavyweight (and unfortunately expensive) solicitor to deal with this.

In as much of an unfortunate situation as this is for The-Doll-House, it is much better that it happens to us, rather than a private individual of TDF, as we are in a position to go public with this if it goes to court, whereas others could lose their jobs etc.

Note: We currently have a WM 140cm Large Breast doll that seems to have been with Customs almost 2 weeks now, (was ordered almost 4 weeks ago, so before all of this) so we suspect that this has been seized also. We are awaiting confirmation from HMRC.

Feel free to share this on the forums, as it may help someone, somewhere.
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Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls

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How do you think government officials would regard this doll:

Height: Short
Face: Could be 18+, but no one can judge with certainty
Hips and thighs: Narrow
Breasts: Too large for an underage girl (say, D for example).

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From current information, don't. I canvassed a number of contacts.

Joyce at OR reports:
I have a 158cm flat doll has holed on by USA customs, I think maybe because she is flat doll
and my friend above reports further:
The faces seemed irrelevant in this case – the NCA didn’t care, they didn’t check any of the heads that we had in stock, so different authorities, different requirements.

They have no modus operandi it seems, and I hazard that they have little jurisdiction as there is no legislation regarding this.

It seems to me that they are trying to scare everyone away from dolls, which would just drive them underground, and create a new criminal class of people, as I don’t see people giving them up.

This needs to be based around Head-Body size ratio, alongside with young features (subjective), alongside Breast-Hip-Waist ratio although this will be far too much information and data for the average authorities to compute. I may have to push for the prosecution of all little girls with a Barbie doll if height is the only component in determining if a doll is a child doll, that may get them to open their eyes regarding dolls, rather than arbitrarily designating 140cm as too short to be adult – Simpletons!
So don't.

I'd keep to 156 and above and stay in the clear.

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Thanks for all your hard work is keeping us informed on this issue.

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haremlover wrote:
So don't.

I'd keep to 156 and above and stay in the clear.

Best wishes

Harem

But isn't a short doll with breasts too large for a child considered adult? This very thread mentioned from the beginning that a scaled down adult body is not considered childlike.

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haremlover wrote:From current information, don't. I canvassed a number of contacts.

Joyce at OR reports:
I have a 158cm flat doll has holed on by USA customs, I think maybe because she is flat doll
and my friend above reports further:
The faces seemed irrelevant in this case – the NCA didn’t care, they didn’t check any of the heads that we had in stock, so different authorities, different requirements.

They have no modus operandi it seems, and I hazard that they have little jurisdiction as there is no legislation regarding this.

It seems to me that they are trying to scare everyone away from dolls, which would just drive them underground, and create a new criminal class of people, as I don’t see people giving them up.

This needs to be based around Head-Body size ratio, alongside with young features (subjective), alongside Breast-Hip-Waist ratio although this will be far too much information and data for the average authorities to compute. I may have to push for the prosecution of all little girls with a Barbie doll if height is the only component in determining if a doll is a child doll, that may get them to open their eyes regarding dolls, rather than arbitrarily designating 140cm as too short to be adult – Simpletons!
So don't.

I'd keep to 156 and above and stay in the clear.

Best wishes

Harem
What about the z onedoll 151cm with head a35? Surely one can see it looks adult

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I've given the information as received.

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Post by neutrino »

In your opinion, who acts more on the side of caution? (Important tip for those who wish to purchase sex dolls that are borderline)

1. Someone selling cigarettes or alcohol and asking you for ID to make sure you are old enough.
2. Border officials examining a sex doll if it is adult enough.

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Here in the US, the CREEPER Act is making it's way through Congress.

So, we'll know what the law allows shortly.
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Why didn't I take the blue pill?

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haremlover wrote:A friend vendor writes:

The dolls in question were WM 140cm dolls – one large (DD/E), and one small breasted (B/C) – and this height (140cm or under) seems to be the threshold that the NCA were using to define what is a c****like sex doll.

They turned up at my residence, and asked if I would come with them for a voluntary interview at the local police station, which I agreed to.

While this was happening they searched my residence and seized all of my electronic equipment for forensic investigation.
I believe that there is some b/s behind that story.

Popo do not ask you to come with them and ask for a "voluntary" interview and then go raid your home in the meantime without a warrant, just because he has a few smaller doll size than 140cm.

If they went and raid his place, that mean they had reasonable proof and a warrant that he (based on his IP address) that he had c%^$ porn on a few of his device.
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In the UK they have free reign to do anything in these circumstances. There have been high profile cases where plods go with impunity and wrongly.

Anyone can take their own view, but do so at risk

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So now they have the company’s laptops does that means buyers of 140cm dolls will also be getting a visit? As I’m sure they can get the addresses of those buyers from the things seized

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Thanks for posting that Harem. I think we have to remember that different Countries have different approaches to this matter and many of them have been caught by surprise it seems with the advent of some manufacturers producing these questionable dolls for the open market. Unfortunately, what this has done is bring some of the ‘legitimate’ scaled down adult dolls into the ‘grey’ area. What was said in the quote from this UK case is that the heads were not examined and someone has made an arbitrary ruling that the height of 140cm is more or less childlike - not taking into account the scaled down factor. This is worrying! Let’s hope some clarification can come out of this, at least for the UK market, and The-Doll-House can fight this cause successfully! They need our support and best wishes to take this further.

At this stage danDub, I wouldn’t be concerned if you’ve bought through this legitimate vendor.

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hollows+fentiman wrote:
At this stage danDub, I wouldn’t be concerned if you’ve bought through this legitimate vendor.

Cheers, Hollows.
I have purchased a 151cm z onedoll from the doll house which is very close to 5ft but is 4ft 11 and has a very large h or l cup breasts and the head without question (A35) is adult looking, even with the height i dunno how anyone can call the doll “child size” with the characteristics the 151cm doll has, so i just dont want any unnecessary greif when i have a doll that’s close to 5ft tall and blatantly looks like an adult woman and people can see this

I do hope the doll house succeed :thumbs_up:

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