BoyToyDolls Silicone grade Discussion

[Sith_Lord]

Technoguy,

Skin absorbtion is inefficiant, I can pour a ounce of acitone on my skin with no real effect. However if I drink it or inject it into a vien I'm taking a dirt nap.

The by-product of tin cure is alchohol, Plat produces no by-product. By your own explination exposure to any level of catalyst would cure the silicone over time, I can assure you from experience this is not the case.

If it wasn't for sewers people would still be dead by 40, now people look for non-existant threats like this...

You've likely lost more time from your life discussing it than it's potential effect.

From experience I can tell you that tin silicone takes about a week to fully cure and after that amount of time you can't even smell the catalylst. (it stinks, too) if it was still there you'd smell it for some time.

[Britti_Lover]

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1. In what way does the new silicon you mention in your F.A.Q. differ from the silicon used in Realdolls?

The silicon in RD is cured with tin. The silicon in Boy Toy is cured with platinum. It feels a bit more life like and is a bit more durable.

2. Are there any differences in the skeleton frames used in the Boy Toy to that of a Real doll?

The only difference in the Boy Toy frame is the scaled down proportions.

3. I understand that the new doll weighs only 65lbs? Has the weight loss from that of a Real doll be achieved by just
scaling down the doll proportions or have new frame materials been used?

The scaled down proportions.

4. I note that the dolls are being marketed by dates i.e. Dec, Jan, Feb and so on, are there any major differences in
the dolls other than wig, face and clothing. In other words, do all the dolls have the same generic body?

Matt might do a slight variation on the body down the line but he's not even going to think about doing it for a few months.

5. You mention that the new silicone is extremely lifelike in its qualities but far more resistant to tearing and
compression marking. Does this mean that the BoyToy can be left on flat hard surfaces for longer periods that a Realdoll
and there would be less risk on compression?

That is correct, but I still wouldn't recommend longer periods + plus the fact that the doll is lighter helps too.

6. The new X Face used in your Boy Toy has the innovation of movable eyes, at what you describe as touch movable. Will
these eyes be interchangeable?

All the eyes are interchangeable and hand painted

7. On the new X. Face, is the removable mouth possible?

Yes the mouth comes out of the skull

8. Does the Boy Toy hold position easily for photographic work and will the dolls lighter weight make it more possible
with less chance of damage?

Yes again because of the reduced weight and smaller proportions.

9. For the purpose of storage and posing upright (in a standing position), does the BoyToy have the same removable hook
placed in the neck as the Realdoll?

It's a similar system were using a little loop of cable.

10. Does the Boy Toy come crated as with the Real doll?

Boy Toy will come in similar crate with a birth certificate

[technoguy]

Well, there seems to be some questions about the "durability" of the silicone used in the new "ToyBoy" dolls.

Actually, there is no way to know exactly how durable any "proprietary" slicone formula is unless it is tested by some acceptable mechnanical method and then compared to other types of silicone to see how its numbers compare. This is a complex matter and requires special equipment to do. Just grabbing a small sample of newly cured material and stretching and twisting it a few times to see what happens is NOT sufficient.

The durability of any structural material, silicone elatomers included, CAN change over time due to changes in its chemical content. Also, there is the matter of "elastomer fatigue" that is probably the MAJOR determinant of long term durability and which is RARELY even mentioned in connection with these dolls.

IMO, NO one will know for sure how "durable" a new doll with a NEW silicone formula is UNTIL they have played the waiting game long enough. That could take months to years. If one is the first in line for any new product that just hit the market, he is going to take a certain amount of risk IF the product has not been THOROUGHLY tested BEFORE it was released to the public. Remember what happened in the case of Vioxx!


technoguy

[Crazyhorse]

Well, there seems to be some questions about the "durability" of the silicone used in the new "ToyBoy" dolls.

What question? I don't think anyone has questioned that, we've been told its medical grade platinum, which is about as durable and safe as it gets. Until people start receiving the dolls and we can actually see the difference from RD silicone, there's not much else to say about it. The only question was about the claim that RD (not boytoy) was using something that was neither tin nor platinum. That seems to have been cleared up now.

[technoguy]

Crazyhorse wrote:

What question? I don't think anyone has questioned that, we've been told its medical grade platinum, which is about as durable and safe as it gets.

This thread was split off from the thread in which the new "BoyToy" dolls were originally presented due to its off topic wandering into the techical detiails of silicone materials.

In that previousl thread, several members stated that they were concerned about the newly formulated silcone used in these new dolls, especially because of the increased price.

I, like you, believe that platium cured silicone elastomers are the best in terms of safety and durability. But, depending upon the "proprietary" blend of the monomers that are formed into the final silicone polymer there can be wide varitions in the properties of a platinum cured silicone material.

My point above was that there is a limit to how confident one can be in the durability of ANY silicone material that is just cured. Durability can and often does degrade with age and use. I believe that when it comes to the issue of silicone durability, the "proof of the pudding is in the eating". That is, one will really only know how durable it was IF after years of use it is holding up well.


technoguy

[od]

What i really wonder, is why after over a year and a half on this same subject, that TG has not come to some "definitive" decision on his thoughts concerning the types of silicon and the effects of same.

I have read so many posts that talk and consider and ponder the silicon and it's characteristics, that i wonder why it's still a subject. Of course, if one used the "search" function available, one could always go back and reread all the posts that have been done over and over concerning this subject, a lot of that rehash is by the same people......

I can allways wonder about the durability and safety of stainless steel..... oops, there is more than one type.

Like i've said before, i'll just not worry about it and die happy......

[technoguy]

od...

I thoroughly agree. This whole subject of silicone elastomer safety, durabiliy, etc. can give one a headache after awhile.

There are so many possible "proprietary" blends possible for silicone polymers, that one can not even be sure if a doll manufacturer is using the same material from year to year!

At a minimum, I would be happy just to be assured that the silicone in my doll contained no pthalate ester oil plasticizer, just used a minimum of D-Limonene as a thinning solvent, and was made with a platinum based catalyst since there now seems to be some concern about tin compounds coming in skin contact.

Beyond those points, one can only hope that the manufacturer is doing everything possible to safeguard the health of its customers. I know I would if I was manufacturing a chemical product like a love / sex doll.

Right now, I can say that I would prefer a doll made with platinum cured silicone over one made with tin cured silicone IF I have a choice.


technoguy

[Campdaan]

TG. Get some silicone samples and do some testing. I eagerly await your dissertation.

[DrSoong]

Any inorganic chemists, who post here, who could do the tests?

[siliconegrapes]

Actually, I think even platium based silicone can be toxic... if grinded into a super fine powder and then inhaled in volume. I think it would produce somethig like black lung, though it would likely be more like flesh-tone lung. I guess we'll just have to wait for the aliens to get here with their super safe alien safe sex dolls so we can screw dolls without concern. I predict they'll also have antigravity units installed for the ultimate in weight reduction technology!

I just had a horrifying thought... What are the wigs, eye lashes and eyealls made out of!?!?! I bet my all of my anti-psychotic meds that they contain some sort of dangerous chemical!!! All of us are doomed!!!!!!!! I guess TG is never going to get a doll.

[BelShanar]

DOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMED!



But seriously, I think its good to know that the dolls will be made out of a stronger and more durable blend of silicone. I'm no chemist (unless you count cooking, but thats another thing) and I haven't really ever been concerned with the toxicity of any of my dolls.

I know it is naive of me to think that all toy producers of this variety will only use safe materials, but its just something I don't like to worry about.[/i]

[technoguy]

I think all of the concern about the safety of chemical products stems from the "epidemic" of cancer that has plagued the Western industrialized world in the latter half of the 20th century.

The average person alive at that time was actually exposed to more chemicals in a DAY than his great grandfather would have been in a LIMFETIME! Up until the 20th century, cancer was a somewhat rare disease although it had been noted and described in the medical literature of ancient times.

For example, the word "cancer" means "crab" and the Greek physician Hippocrates (known as the "Father of Medicine") gave the disease this name because he noted, upon autopsy of those who had died from the disease, that a large tumor would send out crab claw-like extensions of itself into surrounding tissue.

Anyway, it has been fairly well established that CHRONIC exposure to chemicals results in accumulating damage to the genetic material in cells. At some point the damage is such that it disables the cell's ability to regulate its own cellular division and proliferation. The result? A cancer starts to grow in a person's body.

Personally, I think that the average person in an industrialized country actually gets cancer about once a DAY! However, these cancers are quickly destroyed by the person's immune system. However, with age and malnutrition, one's immune system can get weak and unable to vigorously respond in order to destroy a growing group of cancer cells. That s when things can get ugly and the person may eventually succumb to the growing and spreading tumors in his body.

We hear much about the "War on Cancer" and the latest drugs being used to fight it. Sadly, however, I read that only about 5% of people with cancer, overall, are ever "cured" of the disease (a cure meaning that no cancer reappears in the person's body within 5 years of their original cancer being "cured"). That means that, eventually, 95% of all people with cancer will either die from the cancer or from the treatments used to treat the cancer. Needless to say, these statistics are rather gloomy.

So, obviously people are now VERY concerned about what chemicals they are being exposed to I personally will not allow any chemicals to be used on my property and any products used inside my home that I might come in contact with must be as safe and non-toxic as possible.

When one purchases a high-end love / sex doll, he is taking a product into his home and BED that was made with a LOT of chemicals. It is important that ALL of those chemicals be as safe as possible and that, should recent research data emerge suggesting anything in the dolls is NOT safe, that the materials used to make them be changed as soon as possible.


Someone asked about the safety of the wigs used on these dolls.

As I understand it, most of these wigs are made from pigment colored acrylic plastics. Acrylic plastics do contain traces of a chemical called formaldehyde that can leave the plastic as a gas and which IS toxic to inhale (remember the problem they discovered with the FEMA trailers).

However, the wigs useo on dolls contain small diameter, high surface area strands of acrylic plastic. These would outgas any residual formaldehyde in them left over from their manufacture rather quickly. So, I doubt if they would pose any sigificant health risk.


technoguy

[itsme]

BL you asked who the questions???????
and why?

All this stuff is know. real doll tin base boy toy platinum base.

Did you just not believe us when we told you??????

When real doll tell you they have a mix of there own believe it.
shit you can call a silicone Co. They will mix you a batch up to your liking as well.

Boy toy like to make it sound like they have there one new misty silicone.

[Sith_Lord]

TG a few things to consider:

Life expectancy is longest in these "industrialized" countries. Also since people live longer through reduction of threats like plauges and getting scalped by indians the time based genetic fractures known as cancers are possible. There are a lot of cancers that occur because of DNA flaws and after so many cell splits it happens. Outside factors have little effect on these "built-in" cancers.

Since modern medical intervention in potentially fatal genetic flaws the defect has increased chance to be spread to offspring. Thus we are in direct confontation with natural evolution processes that unfortunatly produce suffering in the majority of changes.

70 yrs. of bathing, cable TV, cars, protected sex, sex dolls, porn, the internet, toilets, good tasting food.

Not a bad life really, but some feel cheated that it doesn't last 100 yrs.

Most of these "big terrible companies" made this happen...

[Bill]

That silicone fat stuff has me worried about death by silicone because I've been sleeping with my Realdoll for over nine years and may have go to the safety of a hooker off the street.
I'm sure my dick will fall off any day now.