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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:33 am 
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Hi danDub,

Just to re-assure you - We are the importer of the goods.
Therefore if there is any illegality involved, it will be with us, rather than you, so the authorities would contact us and not you at all.

The worst case scenario for you would be if the authorities seized your order, and you received a full refund from us.
Inconvenient, but by no means troublesome.
Not that I am anticipating any problems with your order - the NCA examined 20 dolls at our business premises, and only had issues with (large breasted) dolls under 140cm, so you should receive your order without incident.

If you have any questions, do direct them our way, and we will be happy to assist you in any way that we can.
Please have a pleasant (& worry free) day.



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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:01 am 
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Hi danDub,

Just to re-assure you - We are the importer of the goods.
Therefore if there is any illegality involved, it will be with us, rather than you, so the authorities would contact us and not you at all.

The worst case scenario for you would be if the authorities seized your order, and you received a full refund from us.
Inconvenient, but by no means troublesome.
Not that I am anticipating any problems with your order - the NCA examined 20 dolls at our business premises, and only had issues with (large breasted) dolls under 140cm, so you should receive your order without incident.

If you have any questions, do direct them our way, and we will be happy to assist you in any way that we can.
Please have a pleasant (& worry free) day.


Thanks for the reply, answers a lot of questions, i do hope the issues you have get sorted with a positive outcome with the authorities :thumbs_up:



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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:23 am 
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The-Doll-House wrote:
If you have any questions, do direct them our way, and we will be happy to assist you in any way that we can.
Please have a pleasant (& worry free) day.


Phil, if your heaveyweight lawyer becomes too costly you should consider crowdfunding. There is a huge amount of goodwill for you in the doll community and in standing up to these people you are fighting a battle on behalf of all of us. This is just the start - if they win this one then next time they'll be coming after 150cm dolls, then 155cm, then A-cups, B-cups etc etc.


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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:16 pm 
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May God bless you nicvncnt personally!

Thanks for the support!
I have understood that this was/is going to happen at some time or another - it had to be a vendor which accepted the good fight for everyone. It would be too much for a single owner to bear - I had the conversation with my solicitor today, and dear God it is going to be expensive!
I am hoping that this will be the line in the sand that we have drawn, the authorities may disagree, but at least we made the first concession.

Lord knows we have tried to be as good as possible, but these people just want an easy prosecution in order to scare everyone in the community into submission.
We must not submit!
Even if I do end up serving Time for this! We must resist with reason.

There is a huge principle at stake here, and we must be united - I know I will be made an example of here, but it is how the community stands after this, that will define the future of doll ownership.
How can the the ownership of any doll be a crime, where NO-ONE is a victim?

I know that they will all think of us as Paedophiles - whereas the correct term would be Pederasts - assuming that real people were involved, and under age people are involved, which they are not.
So if there is a crime here, then it is a victim-less crime - is it not?

We are going to have to appeal to the MP's - and we are going to have to be selective as to who we think will help us, if any of them.
I will keep all of you informed/updated of how this is progressing, and let us pray that everything goes well.
If not, I will take the fall for the community.



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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:59 pm 
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Phil you're a wonderful philosopher and a generous spirit.

All power to your elbow.

Please keep me in the picture.

Presumably you're operating business as usual whilst now avoiding the smaller dolls?

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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
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Hi Harem,

Yes I did ask the authorities while they were searching the premises - would it be worth not advertising the 140cm or under cm dolls?
Like complete imbeciles, they said: we cannot advise, however if those dolls were not on your site tomorrow, it would look good - what absolute ignorant thatcher bully boys they are - not one of them can reason at all, they think that they are saving children, which of course - as Thatcher bully boys - can only hurt people!

So hopefully we can get the genera;l public to realise that these police people are the new "Thought Police" aka 1984.
Nothing different from the thought police in the Arab states.
God help us if we accept this stupidity.
However, we have done this before.
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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:08 pm 
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Hey Phil, good luck with your case. Hope it will work out.

From what I have seen about cases around (both on this forum and in news), the 2 most common points that comes around when it's a case of child pornography are: Height and Face. As we all know, breast sizes doesn't seems to be matter even if it's F or bigger.

I kinda understand since it has been proven that, with each generation, breasts size of the women did grow over the time. For example, Japan has raised from an average of A to B in the last 10 years. This is mostly due to a change in what our food is made of. The raise in nutriments added in the food works quite well and almost a bit too well sometimes. So, while still a bit rare, it's not that "special" anymore to find a 17 years old girl who's D-Cup or E-Cup. I do remember a girl while I was in primary school (approx. 12 years old) who was C-Cup bad then. She was also quite tall and she was the one who said it in the middle of the cafeteria.

There's one thing that could assist in cases where unspecific features are questionable such as height.
To put it simple, find real-life examples of it. Something like "She look like a teenager because of the height" is unethical and unprofessional considering you can find picture and details about existing porn stars who are at 145cm or below

Those are some examples:
Brooke Belle: 135cm, C-Cup, born in 1982
Bailey: 137cm, B-Cup, born in 1983
Mimi Allen: 137cm, B-Cup, born in 1989
Paola Rey: 140cm, B-Cup, born in 1981
Bambi Wolfe: 142cm, C-Cup, born in 1994
Kandi Hart: 145cm, B-Cup, born in 1982
Scarlett Monroe: 145cm, D-Cup, born in 1988

As you might have guessed, those are their porn star names.
Note that I'm not giving any link as to the source of that information simply because it's irrelevant to the site. It can easily be found on Google.
(I know as I did just now. A simple search of porn stars by height and voila!)

There are dozens of porn stars that are between 135cm and 150cm and I'm not writing about people with height disability (known as dwarfism), but people with a proportional adult body that are just a bit below average. The reason why I mention porn stars is because they are some of the few "cataloged" people that are "okay" with sharing private information such as their sizes, their age and show some visual example which can be found on databases online.

As for the faces (heads), that's another matter in itself. From what I have seen, dolls' head can be quite childish in both their forms and features. For example, something like "anime-like" doll face have barely any difference between a teen and an adult for female character unless you know the subtleties of it, which an agent might not be able to see. (As a 3D artist, I got quite a good number of volumes on the subject about how kids, teens and adults changes in manga and anime depending on the
visual styles.) There's quite a visible difference if you go with a MILF doll which make it relatively safer.

As I explained in a previous post, these's also a "visual representation" of ages depending on what "origin" the doll is representing since, in the case of some countries such as Korea, China and Japan, you find people in their early 30's who look almost the same as the teens in their 17-18's. The main difference are subtleties in their teeth and muscles when they speak or smile heavily. 2 points that are hard to see in an immobile doll that doesn't have an huge smile. There's also a change in the cranial form, but that's quite hard to notice with the hair in the way. There's also the amount of make-up involved. :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:56 pm 
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Hey Phil, good luck with your case. Hope it will work out.

From what I have seen about cases around (both on this forum and in news), the 2 most common points that comes around when it's a case of child pornography are: Height and Face. As we all know, breast sizes doesn't seems to be matter even if it's F or bigger.

I kinda understand since it has been proven that, with each generation, breasts size of the women did grow over the time. For example, Japan has raised from an average of A to B in the last 10 years. This is mostly due to a change in what our food is made of. The raise in nutriments added in the food works quite well and almost a bit too well sometimes. So, while still a bit rare, it's not that "special" anymore to find a 17 years old girl who's D-Cup or E-Cup. I do remember a girl while I was in primary school (approx. 12 years old) who was C-Cup bad then. She was also quite tall and she was the one who said it in the middle of the cafeteria.

There's one thing that could assist in cases where unspecific features are questionable such as height.
To put it simple, find real-life examples of it. Something like "She look like a teenager because of the height" is unethical and unprofessional considering you can find picture and details about existing porn stars who are at 145cm or below

Those are some examples:
Brooke Belle: 135cm, C-Cup, born in 1982
Bailey: 137cm, B-Cup, born in 1983
Mimi Allen: 137cm, B-Cup, born in 1989
Paola Rey: 140cm, B-Cup, born in 1981
Bambi Wolfe: 142cm, C-Cup, born in 1994
Kandi Hart: 145cm, B-Cup, born in 1982
Scarlett Monroe: 145cm, D-Cup, born in 1988

As you might have guessed, those are their porn star names.
Note that I'm not giving any link as to the source of that information simply because it's irrelevant to the site. It can easily be found on Google.
(I know as I did just now. A simple search of porn stars by height and voila!)

There are dozens of porn stars that are between 135cm and 150cm and I'm not writing about people with height disability (known as dwarfism), but people with a proportional adult body that are just a bit below average. The reason why I mention porn stars is because they are some of the few "cataloged" people that are "okay" with sharing private information such as their sizes, their age and show some visual example which can be found on databases online.

As for the faces (heads), that's another matter in itself. From what I have seen, dolls' head can be quite childish in both their forms and features. For example, something like "anime-like" doll face have barely any difference between a teen and an adult for female character unless you know the subtleties of it, which an agent might not be able to see. (As a 3D artist, I got quite a good number of volumes on the subject about how kids, teens and adults changes in manga and anime depending on the
visual styles.) There's quite a visible difference if you go with a MILF doll which make it relatively safer.

As I explained in a previous post, these's also a "visual representation" of ages depending on what "origin" the doll is representing since, in the case of some countries such as Korea, China and Japan, you find people in their early 30's who look almost the same as the teens in their 17-18's. The main difference are subtleties in their teeth and muscles when they speak or smile heavily. 2 points that are hard to see in an immobile doll that doesn't have an huge smile. There's also a change in the cranial form, but that's quite hard to notice with the hair in the way. There's also the amount of make-up involved. :lol:


The scary point I get from donoghu's post is that if height is used to determine INTENT, then when any man interacts with a shorter real women he could be determined to have pedophile tendencies. Which then could be used against the man to be able to search for potential child porn, i.e. tear apart some poor schmoes personal life with no real just cause. This would also potentially make short women illegal to be near or look at.



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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:48 pm 
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if the hieght obsession is saying 140cm is illegal now thats just messed up cuz lot of women are that height. not every mature legal aged girl is amazonian in height and the witch hunt by these people is just a way for them to try and attack the doll industry. it starts with 140 then 150 then 155 then before long sex dolls will be illegal due to moral justice warriors who can't stand to see lonely men be happy in their own privacy as opposed to all the women out there with dildos and sex toys doing whatever they want. All points to the attack on men in this society by angry feminists and poeple who suuport there agenda in tearing down men and not wanting to see them happy. A very sad and poor double standard imo.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:53 pm 
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jokerisalive wrote:
All points to the attack on men in this society by angry feminists and poeple who suuport there agenda in tearing down men and not wanting to see them happy. A very sad and poor double standard imo.


Funny enough, I though about something kinda ironic about the situation.
If 140cm dolls becomes illegal, won't the dildo smaller than X cm also become illegal because it could represent the penis of a kid or a teenager?
(Just google "Small Dildo" if you're curious. You'll get plenty of examples.) If they make 140cm doll illegal, shouldn't any dildo smaller than, let's say, 10 cm be illegal because a underage boy could have such a penis?

I can guaranty you that if you were to remove most of the dildo (by making them illegal), a majority of those angry feminists would much angrier toward the laws than towards men who own Love Doll. Only the pure-of-heart super religious women would keep at it.

Should they make baby dolls also illegal while they are at it? I mean... Some do have genitals.
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I admit that some Love Doll do are too freaking young.
Like this one: *picture removed*
(It was a picture of something that looked like a 9-years old doll.)

For those kind of kids-like dolls, if they have genitals, I agree 100% that it's not right. If they don't have genitals (only an oversize kid barbie in a way), I guess it's more like a Super Deluxe toy for kids then. (Like some kind of "Have a Sister" toy for girls.)
Why not banning MyBuddy dolls while they are at it? I mean... That could be "used" for some form of sick child pornography.

While they are at it, shouldn't they make the car's shifting gear handle to never look like dildo that look like teenager boys' penis?
There will always be something "off" in this thing.

As a matter of fact, if feminists find love dolls offensive, they tend to overlook the fact that dildos are pretty much the same kind of tool, but an inverse kind of penetration.

For me, a Love Doll is like the fusion of the following things:
• A big teddy bear to hug and express some intimate emotion. It's not like this kind of thing can be done to random people, right?
• Rubber Vagina to relieve myself.
• A hobby like collecting swords, cars or anything that require regular maintenance.

If someone was to ask and tell me "Why did you buy a Love Doll? That's gross!"...
I'll simply answer:
I got no girlfriend and I'm not the kind of guy who can get one easily as I'm really shy when it comes to expressing my most inner emotions. I still need to express my physical feeling. I had 3 choice: Keep the void which is quite depressing, buying a love doll or paying an escort or something like that. The "relationship" market has gone crazy with things like Dating apps.

Seriously, it's not much relevant to the subject at hand, but I have been trying to find a date on dating apps for about 14 months now. While I did chat with some women, I never was able to reach the step of a date. By the time I "could" date one of the woman I was chatting with, her app was already flooding with "better matches". I'm a slowpoke in dating as I like to take my time discovering the woman and that's totally not popular in today's age. Sure, they don't want things like one night and they don't want sex on the first date. Okay... But it seems they do are looking for cute sex partners before everything which mean in every times, I was just a stand-in. That's not happening with a doll.

So, if ever I get arrested for owning/buying a Love Doll which I know isn't looking like a teenager, I'll ask this one question: "Instead, should I paid for some sex with some escort?"
The thing in Canada, at least, is that prostitution is illegal. You can't sell your body for sex. But selling your body for protection or just as a "stand-in" isn't illegal. So, an escort that is selling "escorting services" meaning only her presence is required isn't illegal. If she decide to sleep with her customer, as long as the sex is not paid for officially, it's not illegal. If you decide to pay an additional tip for her escort service and if she, by "herself" decide to sleep with you, that's legal. This why, while prostitution isn't legal, paying for an escort and having sex with her isn't illegal. Basically, we could consider the Love Doll business as something similar to escort business. A majority of the population will see it as a legal version of prostitution because all they think about is the fact that there might be sex involved. Only a minority notice that there's also the fact that a man (or a woman) is single and would like someone to walk in some place with them and that the sex can be just an extra. (As I previously mentioned, sex is not mandatory, but can be persuaded.) When you buy a love doll, sure there are breast and a fake vagina, but there's also the rest of the doll that requires maintenance.

I agree that there do ARE some stuff that shouldn't be allowed.
*Picture removed*
(It was a picture of a torso+groin which was quite a bit too small.)

The size of that (if you consider the size of the hand) and the fact that there are no arms, legs nor head remove the purpose of a full body doll. That's purely a sex toy as you can't really put clothes nor make it "pretty". It's not like a collection of cars or sword or gun or whatever. The only maintenance is the cleaning after using it.
That, I would understand if someone where to be prosecuted for child pornography (and other relevant things). It would be questionable, but acceptable if it was of the size of a woman in her early 30's though (and not that small) as just a rubber vagina with a pair of breasts (but still not a collection thing... just a sex toy).

EDIT : I removed the pictures since it wasn't allowed. Sorry.


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I think this is good and fair. The photo representation helps a lot in understanding the difference. Thanks for the post!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:56 am 
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Donoghu, you’re not supposed to post underage doll pics :x
But yeah if we allow 1 case to pass they might apply to the rest and witchhunt a lot of us. That’s why it’s important


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:42 pm 
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donoghu wrote:
If 140cm dolls becomes illegal, won't the dildo smaller than X cm also become illegal because it could represent the penis of a kid or a teenager?
(Just google "Small Dildo" if you're curious. You'll get plenty of examples.) If they make 140cm doll illegal, shouldn't any dildo smaller than, let's say, 10 cm be illegal because a underage boy could have such a penis?.


I have often thought this exact point.
The Magic Bullet Vibrator at 3.75 inches/9.5cm could be considered exactly that, but of course women can do no wrong - being all sugar and spice, and all that. So while the argument holds true, I can't see it getting anywhere, unfortunately.
I'm sure their retort would be that the vibrator does not actually look like any part of the human body, so cannot be mistaken for such a part.

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Just measured my splatoon amiibo..... wonder if Nintendo will be next


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Just measured my splatoon amiibo..... wonder if Nintendo will be next


does it have an insert hole? that's a requirement.


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