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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:52 pm 
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In the USA, What are the chances of getting arrested for importing a 100cm from China? This seems to be a replica of a popular WM doll: https://m.aliexpress.com/item/328333307 ... 2833330746


Hi Fritzgerald. Currently, there isn't any US law in place regarding importing dolls of any size. The only possibility of difficulty would be if a customs agent found the doll to be "objectionable material". To my knowledge, there haven't been any seizures of WM(or replicas) 100cm dolls by US customs.


That said, the particular face you've linked, WM's "Riley" and replicas, is a constant concern for staff at TDF, and often moderated as a violation of rule 1. We consider images on a case by case basis, and I've found this face to be very difficult to allow here, regardless of presentation..


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:45 pm 
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Weeell I picked a fine subject to return to the forums on! XD (Hi, if anyone is still here that used to be back when I was posting a few years ago!)

It's definitely great and all to fight against pedophilia. I'm with you. I can just see differences of opinions on the matter popping up. Hopefully not many. I really really hope that neither side, posters or moderators lean to any extremes. But given my personal life experience and looking at some of my friends, I kinda feel like people who like Asian women could be a bit screwed here if they wanted to share.

I mean, I'm a half Chinese, half white, 5'3", 41 year old woman. They didn't stop carding me for alcohol till I was over 35. I even developed a sizeable chest in my teens and I was still getting carded at movie theaters till my late 20's when they bothered carding for R-rated features. One of my closer friends is full blooded Chinese, 4'10" and 26 years old. She went on vacation to Florida a few months ago and the waitress asked them if they wanted a kids menu for her :/ Seriously, no joke or exaggeration for either of us. Plenty of similar situations for women I am friends of Asian ethnicities. Hell, even for a lot of other ethnicities as well I imagine.

So that is where I find the part: "...whose faces or bodies may be deemed by experts and authorities to be representative of children..." could go wrong. I mean, it's hard enough in reality judging by face. Personally I think it might be more reasonable to just judge the body because there are so many baby-faced adults out there.

Not that any of us would ever be so vain as want dolls made to look like us, but I don't think I could help feeling a little insulted if people couldn't post pictures of a doll that looks like me, because it looks like something that belongs to a pedophile. It makes me feel like: "Wait... were some of these guys I dated with me because it's almost like legal pedophilia?"

I already changed my profile pic, because it resembled the 32 year old me, which I could see some people thinking looked younger than 18. It was just an Asian Ball Joint Doll, like the current one, but I suppose those fit in the rules too.

I'm a heterosexual female, but I still very much appreciate the beauty of other women and I particularly admire Asian women with ageless faces and slight chests. Ziyi Zhang and Bingbing Li to me are 2 of the most beautiful women in the world (can't believe Bingbing is 3 years older than me!) I think that's going to be the hardest type to determine the age factor on.


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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:01 pm 
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Just a quick question for the Mods .
I have a 6ye 150 cm B cup, Mrs K , I am considering buying A 6ye 164 cm D cup ,
My question is , would it be a breach of TDF presentation rules To post pics of the two girls together , due to the difference in size :?:
As it may make my 150 cm look younger than she is .



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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:01 am 
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Just a quick question for the Mods .
I have a 6ye 150 cm B cup, Mrs K , I am considering buying A 6ye 164 cm D cup ,
My question is , would it be a breach of TDF presentation rules To post pics of the two girls together , due to the difference in size :?:
As it may make my 150 cm look younger than she is .


It's impossible to answer about any photo with certainty until the photo is presented here. After taking the photo, if you're concerned it won't pass, send it to a staff member via PM and we'll be happy to assess it for you. Assuming the faces look 18 years old and the dolls are presented as adults, a 14 cm height difference shouldn't automatically prohibit a photo.


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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:54 am 
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I take this as more of a clarification of existing rules, or at least I always thought these rules were in place, personally.


The forum is hosted in the US and has to abide by laws set forth there. The forum has rules and can remove or ban at the discretion of the owners and moderators, which is absolutely fair. If such laws come forth at some point it is just simpler to have been following them all along, and I get that.


Warnings and bans on the forum are one thing and rules must be upheld, but I do think the "immediately report your neighbors to the Gestapo" (calling the police on posters) attitude I see in a few responses here seriously disturbs me, and if I saw people doing this to other members I would leave ad infinitum. It's a very slippery slope. If the content is not illegal and someone simply disagrees with it then such actions are on the same level of maturity as teenagers "swatting" someone because they dislike them, and this community would no longer be what I consider a safe place for rational discussions between adults.


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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:35 am 
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To keep this extremely simple. :thumbs_up:

If as a doll owner and member you wish to show or upload an image of your doll, irrespective of manufacturer or model, always ensure the doll is represented as an adult, beyond any reasonable doubt, as the balance of probability arguement for boarderline representations will no longer satisfy the authorities in this day and age.

Representation includes:

the appropriate context of the image (fullbody and head, rahter than just face),
the styling of the doll (the dolls make up and wig styling appearence),
the clothing attire of the doll (Adult styled clothing rather than schoolgirl and sailor moon type outfits),
the angle of the dolls image (profile, rear, quater profile, above, below etc),
in addition to the considerations of the aforementioned proportions.

Remember, TPE and some silicone technology is not quite accurate enough yet to replicate all aging landmarks (such as wrinkles, smile lines, skin folds, blemishes, etc), especially in the smaller scale dolls, and, unless you have an AI doll such as the new RD Harmony or the DS robot, a doll can not change facial expressions, outside of eye adjustments, to assert age perceptions.

Accordingly, ensuring your dolls image does not come under scrutiny for removal, is a simple as following the above recommendations, and if there is even a glimmer of doubt in your mind that the image of the doll is NOT adult enough, do NOT post the image.

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Was I not clear here 8O

OK.....if in doubt PM the photo to staff first, many have been doing this and only a few have been not recommended.

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 Post subject: Re: WARNING: To buyers of young looking dolls
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:10 am 
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Hi Anung thank you for the response :D
It's not just the height that is worrying me , the 164 cm body looks , can't think of the word , beefy / more mature
To be honest If I put the two dolls together , I think it would personally give me the creeps 8O 8O 8O

So just to be on the safe side , and my own peace of mind , I will just get another 150 cm in a D cup :D :D :D :D



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:31 am 
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bob7892 wrote:
Hi Anung thank you for the response :D
It's not just the height that is worrying me , the 164 cm body looks , can't think of the word , beefy / more mature
To be honest If I put the two dolls together , I think it would personally give me the creeps 8O 8O 8O

So just to be on the safe side , and my own peace of mind , I will just get another 150 cm in a D cup :D :D :D :D


Imagine what she would look like next to Chloe 65cm 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O

I would need to get her wings, then it could be very cute. :puppydogeyes:



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:06 pm 
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Weeell I picked a fine subject to return to the forums on! XD (Hi, if anyone is still here that used to be back when I was posting a few years ago!)

It's definitely great and all to fight against pedophilia. I'm with you. I can just see differences of opinions on the matter popping up. Hopefully not many. I really really hope that neither side, posters or moderators lean to any extremes. But given my personal life experience and looking at some of my friends, I kinda feel like people who like Asian women could be a bit screwed here if they wanted to share.

I mean, I'm a half Chinese, half white, 5'3", 41 year old woman. They didn't stop carding me for alcohol till I was over 35. I even developed a sizeable chest in my teens and I was still getting carded at movie theaters till my late 20's when they bothered carding for R-rated features. One of my closer friends is full blooded Chinese, 4'10" and 26 years old. She went on vacation to Florida a few months ago and the waitress asked them if they wanted a kids menu for her :/ Seriously, no joke or exaggeration for either of us. Plenty of similar situations for women I am friends of Asian ethnicities. Hell, even for a lot of other ethnicities as well I imagine.

So that is where I find the part: "...whose faces or bodies may be deemed by experts and authorities to be representative of children..." could go wrong. I mean, it's hard enough in reality judging by face. Personally I think it might be more reasonable to just judge the body because there are so many baby-faced adults out there.

Not that any of us would ever be so vain as want dolls made to look like us, but I don't think I could help feeling a little insulted if people couldn't post pictures of a doll that looks like me, because it looks like something that belongs to a pedophile. It makes me feel like: "Wait... were some of these guys I dated with me because it's almost like legal pedophilia?"

I already changed my profile pic, because it resembled the 32 year old me, which I could see some people thinking looked younger than 18. It was just an Asian Ball Joint Doll, like the current one, but I suppose those fit in the rules too.

I'm a heterosexual female, but I still very much appreciate the beauty of other women and I particularly admire Asian women with ageless faces and slight chests. Ziyi Zhang and Bingbing Li to me are 2 of the most beautiful women in the world (can't believe Bingbing is 3 years older than me!) I think that's going to be the hardest type to determine the age factor on.


Thanks so much for sharing your experiences, ibella! You really hit an important thing about appearing 'young' in some areas. People of different ethnicities (especially Asian) really do look younger on average as a young adult as opposed to others (Europeans), both in the face and the body. When it comes to dolls, it's important to look at the epicanthic fold and nasal bridge along with the width of the cheekbones. It really comes does come down to the combination of face and body, yes. Some faces are going to look great on some bodies and other bodies not so much to appear 18+. I'm willing to bet if your age was being guessed while being 30 in somewhere like Houston, Texas versus Shanghi, then the average store clerk might make a different on-the-spot guess. Heck, I still get carded and I know I'm going to be sad when that stops happening. It's funny though because my bf is 8 years younger than I and no one ever cards him!

I did date a guy several years ago.... turned out that he was a registered sex offender (I had no idea!) and really was just dating me because to him, I looked like a teen. That came out, I ended it quickly, and I'm lucky I figured out what was up with him before it went any farther. I think most guys would date you based on the person you are, and looks just being a bonus. People like different things for different reasons. I mean, a real person has a whole lot more to offer than just looks!!! Can you imagine dating a guy just because he's hot? I think it would get really boring really quick unless he always did what I wanted and kept his mouth shut.... I guess that's the appeal of dolls.

I too collect BJDs. I don't show my guys here, even though they have obvious adult bodies (8-pack abs and mature pelvic 'parts') because the faces of some of those dolls do look young. I usually get told by guys that my favorite doll, JC22 on here, looks 'girly' (maybe they're just jelly he's so handsome). Now, that's really code for 'immature' because of the smooth face and lack of beard and mustache. He has a cleft chin most guys would love to have on their face. Most faces themselves are androgynous, facial hair, coloring and things like that make them look gendered and mature, to a point. To me, he looks like a 19 yo hunk, but for the sake of being in good taste, I just keep his images to myself. I sure don't want my preferences for my own dolls to make the entire community look like we're okay sexing up teen guys (or girls).

I think Asian women are really pretty too, you could sure tell that if you were ever to see my female dolls. They also remind me of my grandmother.....



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:42 am 
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Bonjour a tous les Canadiens, English message will follow on buttom.

Je peux affirmer sans contredis que les jouets sexuels qui sont conçus pour représenter des femmes avec des seins entièrement développés et/ou ont une représentation de seins développés de façon exagérée (surdimensionnés), qui sont destinées à représenter des figures adultes, sont généralement considérées admissibles au Canada.

Veuillez garder en tête que les jouets sexuels sous forme de poupées qui semblent représenter des enfants (dont l’emballage ou les documents de publicité qui promeuve une mise en marché qui dépeint la poupée à titre d’enfant) pourraient être considérés comme de la pornographie juvénile en vertu de la définition du Code criminel. Ainsi, les jouets sexuels de type poupée qui semblent ne pas avoir de poitrine ou de développement des seins (ou très peu de seins) ou dont la stature est très petite pourraient être préoccupants pour le personnel de l’Agence des services frontaliers du Canada au moment de l’importation. Chaque jouet doit être examiné individuellement, sur une base de cas par cas.

Pour le compte de l’ASFC/UIP, les jouets sexuels/poupées aux fins sexuelles qui ont été fabriquées pour représenter les corps de femmes adultes ne seraient généralement pas interdits de territoire au Canada en vertu du Tarif des douanes (tarif item 9899.00.00). Cela dit, certaines poupées de silicone ont déjà été considérées comme objet lié à la pornographie juvénile. Je ne peux donc pas parler au nom d’autres agences d’exécution de la loi et leur interprétation.

Cela étant dit il est a vos risques d'importer ce type de poupées.
Go-M-Doll Canada assure que tous produits vendu au Canada sont conforme au norme de ASFC.

Noter aussi que la possession de photos représentant une enfant nu peux être coupable d'encouragement à la pornographie juvénile

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I can state fairly comfortably that sex toys that are crafted to possess large, fully developed breasts and/or have breasts with an exaggerated (oversized) physical development, clearly intended to represent adult figures/dolls generally would be considered admissible into Canada.

Please keep in mind sex dolls that appear to represent children (or possess packaging/marketing materials that market the dolls as children) may be considered child pornography based on the Criminal Code definition. Therefore sex dolls that appear to have no breast development (or very little breast development) or are very small in stature may be of concern to Canada Border Services Agency staff at the time of their importation. Each doll would need to be judged on a case by case basis.

Speaking on behalf of the CBSA/PIU, sex toys/dolls that have been fabricated to clearly represent the bodies of adult females would generally not be prohibited entry under the Customs Tariff (tariff item 9899.00.00). That being said, some silicone dolls have been considered to be child pornography; and I cannot speak on behalf of other law enforcement agencies and their interpretation.

That being said it is at your risk to import this type of dolls.
Go-M-Doll Canada ensures that all products sold in Canada comply with the CBSA standard.

Note also that the possession of photos of a naked child may be guilty of encouraging child pornography

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:54 pm 
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Are dolls allowed (in a non-sexual context of course)

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OK, what about having a doll that's intended to be my doll's teenage daughter.
Am I allowed to mention her on TDF and link to (again) non-sexual content somewhere else on the web?

And another related question:
Is role-playing of clearly adult dolls in roles and costumes of definitive teenage characters allowed?
Like Alice (Alice in Wonderland) or Mathilda (Leon: The Professional) for example.
I don't mean adult dolls in schoolgirl outfits or using diapers and pacifiers because it's not specific enough, but if the role the doll is portraying clearly and
without a doubt underage, wouldn't that put the doll, regardless how adult it may look, into a role of a minor so it shouldn't be allowed too?
Is it, or not?



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:24 pm 
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OK, what about having a doll that's intended to be my doll's teenage daughter.
Am I allowed to mention her on TDF and link to (again) non-sexual content somewhere else on the web?

If teenage is below 18 yo, there's no place for her on TDF. Not here, nor a direct link.

nukeno wrote:
And another related question:
Is role-playing of clearly adult dolls in roles and costumes of definitive teenage characters allowed?
Like Alice (Alice in Wonderland) or Mathilda (Leon: The Professional) for example.
I don't mean adult dolls in schoolgirl outfits or using diapers and pacifiers because it's not specific enough, but if the role the doll is portraying clearly and
without a doubt underage, wouldn't that put the doll, regardless how adult it may look, into a role of a minor so it shouldn't be allowed too?
Is it, or not?

Any role playing is fine as long as it's clear that the doll represents an adult.
An adult looking doll wearing a sexy school uniform is fine, that's role playing! A doll that is already borderline being adult wearing a decent school uniform is most probably regarded underage and should not be shown at TDF.


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nukeno wrote:
OK, what about having a doll that's intended to be my doll's teenage daughter.
Am I allowed to mention her on TDF and link to (again) non-sexual content somewhere else on the web?
If teenage is below 18 yo, there's no place for her on TDF. Not here, nor a direct link.
Well I guess we could pretend that she is 18 and even get a fake ID to proof it ;)
and it would work for most projects I have in mind, but not for the one about puberty.
Or let's just say she really is 18 and I let her play the role of a minor in those particular cases
in a non-sexual way, which won't be seen or even mentioned here on TDF anyway. I get it!
Anyway, I think I'll find a way to make this fly without triggering anything or anyone. :)
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nukeno wrote:
And another related question:
Is role-playing of clearly adult dolls in roles and costumes of definitive teenage characters allowed?
Like Alice (Alice in Wonderland) or Mathilda (Leon: The Professional) for example.
I don't mean adult dolls in schoolgirl outfits or using diapers and pacifiers because it's not specific enough, but if the role the doll is portraying clearly and
without a doubt underage, wouldn't that put the doll, regardless how adult it may look, into a role of a minor so it shouldn't be allowed too?
Is it, or not?
Any role playing is fine as long as it's clear that the doll represents an adult.
An adult looking doll wearing a sexy school uniform is fine, that's role playing! A doll that is already borderline being adult wearing a decent school uniform is most probably regarded underage and should not be shown at TDF.
I was mentioning school uniforms as an counterexample for what I do not mean.
But OK, if role playing is fine as long as the doll doing it is mature enough,
it probably won't help me but at least I understand the "rules" now.

Another question:
Has anyone thought about adding a family friendly forum to TDF? violette_22 mentioned something about that in a PM earlier,
but would you actually consider doing something like that, or do I have to find, or does someone has to start another forum for this and guys like us?
I mean, we have the doll.matrix, the dollalbum, dollharem and coverdoll, all related and intertwined with TDF.
Why not adding a further but separate site just for those who want to live a happy doll-family life?
It can't be that hard to manage either. You have to look through all the pictures here as well already and censor the inappropriate ones.
Would be the same on a family-friendly forum. Just allow underage dolls but ban nudity in general and you would be good to go.

I'm sure that plenty of inappropriate pictures get shared via PM on TDF already. You cannot prevent that from happening anyway.
Unless you prohibit attachments in PMs in general...
But like I've said, that's not in my interest anyway. All I want to do is doing some happy family role playing and sharing pictures of the whole family.
A place for collectors of baby dolls as well as for those who don't see adult dolls primarily just as sex-toys but as actual partners and emotional support.



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School girl reference, presentation and outfit :thumbs_down:

however

College girl reference, presentation and outfit :thumbs_up:

TDF is an Adult doll forum, dolls depicting all the family in a non sexual way can be posted here http://dollchat.com/openforums.php . So yes, we have thought and discussed it, and the answer is NO, because TDF is "The world's definitive resource on love dolls and erotic dolls for adults since 2001." and the two are mutually incompatible in the current age, as someone will always get the two confused, be they doll savvy members or outsider media trolls.

So, regarding PM non compliant attachments, this only works until we catch you, and then your account gets reviewed for rank status change to ex member.

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Anung Un Rama wrote:
Do you think bashing your head against a wall is really necessary? But be my guest... :roll:

I get your point. And I don't argue against it, but:
Adult dolls don't have to be "love dolls" or should be seen as such in general, but "love dolls" should of course always be adult ones!
I don't see TDF as a forum for "love dolls" primarily despite its name. It's much more than that already. We have the dolls alive section where dolls
can interact with each other and they are doing it in a non-sexual way for the most part. We have an open forum for humans who need a shoulder to cry on...
I see TDF as a forum for adults and life-size dolls (or scaled grown-up ones)!
So it would be nice to extend it even further. But it's fine, if you don't want to.

My point simply is that full-size dolls or scaled versions of adult dolls always fall in the category "love dolls" (even mannequins...).
And if you think in categories like this, you always have to separate one from the other, so there will never be one forum where dolls
of all kinds and ages can live and play together like humans of all kinds and ages do too without sexual implications.

As long as such a place wouldn't be "catholic doll forum", I don't see a problem... ;)
:glou:



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