Information about the WM Doll manufacturer
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:02 pm
What is the name of the company that manufactures WM dolls?
中山市金三模特道具有限公司
Fogive me if this sounds racist, but all Chinese characters look alike to me. Can you translate that into Engish?
Zhongshan City Jinsan Mannequin Props Co., Ltd.
I suppose you are going to explain how you came up with that translation?
Yes, but you might want to skip the explaination and go to the next question.
Google translate is usable as a Chinese/English dictionary. The challenge is to figure out (1) where the word boundaries are and (2) which words are actually proper names.
The first two characters mean “in mountain,” but since this is a proper name (specifically the name of a city in China), these are rendered phonetically as "Zhongshan".
The next character means “city.”
The next two characters translate as “gold (or golden) three,” but this is another proper name, so we render these characters as “Jinsan.”
The next two characters translate as “model,” but can also mean mannequin. (Chinese does not have a separate word for mannequin.) Since the factory started out manufacturing fiberglass mannequins before switching to dolls, mannequin is probably the intended meaning.
The next two characters mean “props.”
The two characters after than mean “limited,” as in “limited liability corporation.”
The final two characters mean “company” or “corporation.”
In English, convention requires “limited” to come at the end of the name, and be abbreviated as “ltd.” Except for this, I've preserved the word order used in the Chinese name.
Does anybody use your transation?
No. The English language name of the company is commonly given as “Zhongshan Shaxi Jinsan Clothing Props Factory Models.” I believe that this translation initially appeared on www.wmdolls.com. Another version of the name is “Zhongshan Shaxi City Jinsan Garment Mannequin Factory,” which comes from an RoS certificate.
I'm not going to remember those names. Can we simplify things by saying that any company name with Zhongshan and Jinsan in it refers to the doll manufacturer?
Sadly, no. Two of the companies listed on Alibaba are:
Zhongshan Jinshan Mannequin Manufacturer
Zhongshan Jinsan Mannequin Co., Ltd.
Obviously, at most one of these can be the doll manufacturer, and in fact the founding dates for these companies (2010 and 2015, respectively) reveal that neither one of these can be the doll manufacturer, which was founded in 2005.
Does the company have a brand name?
Yes, “金三娃娃” which translates to “Jinsan Doll.” They sometimes write this phonetically as “Jinsanwawa.”
Why is their web site named wmdoll.cn?
At one point, the company used the brand name “完美娃娃” which translates to “perfect doll,” except that the while the first two characters mean “perfect,” they are being used as a proper name and are thus rendered phonetically, giving “Wan Mei Doll.” They abbreviated this to get “WM Doll.”
The company has mostly abandoned this branding in favor of “Jinsan Doll,” but it lives on in the web site name. You will sometimes see the two brand names combined to form “金三完美娃娃” (“Jinsan perfect doll”) on Chinese web sites.
What is their address?
I didn't find a corporate address on wmdoll.cn, but jinsanmodel.cn.china.cn gives the following address: 广东 中山 石岐区 沙溪镇象角村康乐北路75号之5. Google translates this as “5, 75, Kangle North Road, Xiangjiao Village, Shaxi Town, Shiqi District, Zhongshan, Guangdong.” Zhongshan is a city, and Guandong is a Chinese province. I believe that the street address is “75 North Kangle Road” and “5” designates a building within the complex. If you are wondering, “kangle” means “leisure.”
This address confuses me because Shaxi Town is not in the Shiqi District, but Baidu has no trouble locating this address on the map. Jinsan is labeled “金三道具厂” (“Jinsan Props plant”) to the right (and a bit below) the red location marker.
If you move the mouse to the lower right corner, you can select a satellite view of the plant. Google maps also provides a satellite view, even though it's map data for China is messed up.
So much for name and address. Now tell me something useful, like: Can I order a doll directly from the factory?
Only if you live in China. If you live in China, you can go to wmdoll.cn, which in turn links to their Taobao shop. Otherwise, purchase through a vendor.
I thought they sold dolls on wmdolls.com as well?
Short answer: no--wmdolls.com is operated by a reseller.
Long answer: The wmdolls.com web site, and the sister web site wmdollshop.com (which is where wmdolls.com directs you to purchase dolls) are operated anonymously. When an individual or corporation registers a domain name like www.wmdolls.com, the identity of the registrant is recorded in order to allow the registrant to be contacted if necessary, but it is possible to create a web site anonymously by paying a privacy service to register the name for you. Wmdolls.com is registered by DomainsByProxy.com, whose motto is “Your identity is nobody's business but ours.”
Rather than pay a privacy service to register wmdollshop.com, the operator provided false contact information. The address is 123 Apple St., New York, NY 10010, which (according to Google Maps) does not exist. The contact telephone number is for a mobile phone in Miami, Florida. I'm guessing the number was just chosen at random.
So wmdolls.com is kind of a mystery, but everything I've read indicates that it is not operated by Jinsan. The Jinsan site has a link to a Taobao shop where you can buy their dolls, but does not link to wmdolls.com.
But if I did live in China, I could order direct?
Yes, but if you browse the doll listings on wmdoll.cn, you may notice that there are fewer choices than you might expect. There are no 140cm bodies. The popular number 36 head is missing. My understanding is that rights to a great many designs are held by third parties, and Jinsan will only manufacture them for whoever owns the rights.
What else can you tell me about the company?
Not much. It was founded in 2005 as a producer of fiberglass mannequins. Some time around 2010, it switched to producing TPE sex dolls. It is (I believe) the first sex doll manufacturer to use TPE instead of silicone.
中山市金三模特道具有限公司
Fogive me if this sounds racist, but all Chinese characters look alike to me. Can you translate that into Engish?
Zhongshan City Jinsan Mannequin Props Co., Ltd.
I suppose you are going to explain how you came up with that translation?
Yes, but you might want to skip the explaination and go to the next question.
Google translate is usable as a Chinese/English dictionary. The challenge is to figure out (1) where the word boundaries are and (2) which words are actually proper names.
The first two characters mean “in mountain,” but since this is a proper name (specifically the name of a city in China), these are rendered phonetically as "Zhongshan".
The next character means “city.”
The next two characters translate as “gold (or golden) three,” but this is another proper name, so we render these characters as “Jinsan.”
The next two characters translate as “model,” but can also mean mannequin. (Chinese does not have a separate word for mannequin.) Since the factory started out manufacturing fiberglass mannequins before switching to dolls, mannequin is probably the intended meaning.
The next two characters mean “props.”
The two characters after than mean “limited,” as in “limited liability corporation.”
The final two characters mean “company” or “corporation.”
In English, convention requires “limited” to come at the end of the name, and be abbreviated as “ltd.” Except for this, I've preserved the word order used in the Chinese name.
Does anybody use your transation?
No. The English language name of the company is commonly given as “Zhongshan Shaxi Jinsan Clothing Props Factory Models.” I believe that this translation initially appeared on www.wmdolls.com. Another version of the name is “Zhongshan Shaxi City Jinsan Garment Mannequin Factory,” which comes from an RoS certificate.
I'm not going to remember those names. Can we simplify things by saying that any company name with Zhongshan and Jinsan in it refers to the doll manufacturer?
Sadly, no. Two of the companies listed on Alibaba are:
Zhongshan Jinshan Mannequin Manufacturer
Zhongshan Jinsan Mannequin Co., Ltd.
Obviously, at most one of these can be the doll manufacturer, and in fact the founding dates for these companies (2010 and 2015, respectively) reveal that neither one of these can be the doll manufacturer, which was founded in 2005.
Does the company have a brand name?
Yes, “金三娃娃” which translates to “Jinsan Doll.” They sometimes write this phonetically as “Jinsanwawa.”
Why is their web site named wmdoll.cn?
At one point, the company used the brand name “完美娃娃” which translates to “perfect doll,” except that the while the first two characters mean “perfect,” they are being used as a proper name and are thus rendered phonetically, giving “Wan Mei Doll.” They abbreviated this to get “WM Doll.”
The company has mostly abandoned this branding in favor of “Jinsan Doll,” but it lives on in the web site name. You will sometimes see the two brand names combined to form “金三完美娃娃” (“Jinsan perfect doll”) on Chinese web sites.
What is their address?
I didn't find a corporate address on wmdoll.cn, but jinsanmodel.cn.china.cn gives the following address: 广东 中山 石岐区 沙溪镇象角村康乐北路75号之5. Google translates this as “5, 75, Kangle North Road, Xiangjiao Village, Shaxi Town, Shiqi District, Zhongshan, Guangdong.” Zhongshan is a city, and Guandong is a Chinese province. I believe that the street address is “75 North Kangle Road” and “5” designates a building within the complex. If you are wondering, “kangle” means “leisure.”
This address confuses me because Shaxi Town is not in the Shiqi District, but Baidu has no trouble locating this address on the map. Jinsan is labeled “金三道具厂” (“Jinsan Props plant”) to the right (and a bit below) the red location marker.
If you move the mouse to the lower right corner, you can select a satellite view of the plant. Google maps also provides a satellite view, even though it's map data for China is messed up.
So much for name and address. Now tell me something useful, like: Can I order a doll directly from the factory?
Only if you live in China. If you live in China, you can go to wmdoll.cn, which in turn links to their Taobao shop. Otherwise, purchase through a vendor.
I thought they sold dolls on wmdolls.com as well?
Short answer: no--wmdolls.com is operated by a reseller.
Long answer: The wmdolls.com web site, and the sister web site wmdollshop.com (which is where wmdolls.com directs you to purchase dolls) are operated anonymously. When an individual or corporation registers a domain name like www.wmdolls.com, the identity of the registrant is recorded in order to allow the registrant to be contacted if necessary, but it is possible to create a web site anonymously by paying a privacy service to register the name for you. Wmdolls.com is registered by DomainsByProxy.com, whose motto is “Your identity is nobody's business but ours.”
Rather than pay a privacy service to register wmdollshop.com, the operator provided false contact information. The address is 123 Apple St., New York, NY 10010, which (according to Google Maps) does not exist. The contact telephone number is for a mobile phone in Miami, Florida. I'm guessing the number was just chosen at random.
So wmdolls.com is kind of a mystery, but everything I've read indicates that it is not operated by Jinsan. The Jinsan site has a link to a Taobao shop where you can buy their dolls, but does not link to wmdolls.com.
But if I did live in China, I could order direct?
Yes, but if you browse the doll listings on wmdoll.cn, you may notice that there are fewer choices than you might expect. There are no 140cm bodies. The popular number 36 head is missing. My understanding is that rights to a great many designs are held by third parties, and Jinsan will only manufacture them for whoever owns the rights.
What else can you tell me about the company?
Not much. It was founded in 2005 as a producer of fiberglass mannequins. Some time around 2010, it switched to producing TPE sex dolls. It is (I believe) the first sex doll manufacturer to use TPE instead of silicone.