What you see is not what you get.
What you see is not what you get.
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What you're talking about is a rampant issue in this industry.Tewhano wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:54 pm I think many already know this but the pictures you see on the vendor’s website was taken by a professional photographer whose job is to make the doll look beautiful. The photo below is, from left to right: Website photo, factory photo and my photo of the doll I received. What you see is not what you get. ...
I understand making products look as good as possible, of course. All manufacturers to that to some extent. But with dolls, it is openly false advertising, and I would argue low-level fraud. I'm always asking to see "non-glamour photos" of the dolls.
Here in TDF, you'll also see lots of photo shoots that are clearly very "enhanced." In the forum, it's different than with manufacturers. Photographers here are creating an honest artistic expression. But when you're comparing different dolls for purchase, it's confusing to confirm whether photos not only from manufacturers, but also fellow owners, are showing details you can't use to make a purchase.
And now we have AI enhancements on top of Photoshop.
I'm an app developer/web app developer. In response to this, I'm putting together a new web resource in response to this very situation! More news on that in the near future.
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I had a similarly disappointing experience with WM a couple years back. Gorgeous website photos labeled as "tan". I figured the makeup etc. wouldn't be the same, but surely they'd make the skin color representative? I ordered "tan" and the doll I received was WAY too dark, and generally just not a color you'd see on a human of any ethnicity.
The lesson I took away: don't order one of the "extremes". If there are 4 or 5 skin tones (like: pale - light pink - light tan - tan, or something like that) then don't order the lightest or darkest but pick one of the middle ones. That way, if they fuck it up, it may be a little different from what you wanted but at least it won't be extreme.
If a manufacturer or vendor uses a photo and goes to the trouble of labeling it "light tan", then I would assume they intend to use that photo to guide my choice. Yes, lighting matters. People selling products for thousands of dollars can damn well do their homework to set the lighting up so it's representative of real-world conditions and helpful for a customer.
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As for the factory picture, compare the head with my photo and the website photo. My doll’s face looks like the website doll but there is a sticking difference with the factory phot. Such as the length of the neck and nipple color. The nipples are slightly lighter than the website photo and my doll doesn’t have hardly any color in the nipples at all.
As an amateur photographer I am well aware of the difference lighting makes on your subject. The photographer’s job is to make the subject look good and please the client. I hope to achieve that in my endeavor to become a better photographer with the aid of my doll. Photo is my first attempt towards that goal.
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Yes, everything you said is in line with my general points about misleading images from manufacturers. In this case, you're talking about skin tones/nipple color. But the same idea extends out to the whole presentation of the dolls.
I love glamorous, fun photography. There's a place for this. But when you're making a decision about which doll to buy, that's the place for hard realism, not enhanced photos.
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It has to be frustrating for people who don't take extra steps to check the dolls likely appearance and expect it to look exactly like the promo pics. I do wish more vendors would include at least a couple factory pics along side the glamour ones. But I don't think that's likely to happen.
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Hi, Dear TewhanoTewhano wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:54 pm I think many already know this but the pictures you see on the vendor’s website was taken by a professional photographer whose job is to make the doll look beautiful. The photo below is, from left to right: Website photo, factory photo and my photo of the doll I received. What you see is not what you get. I selected the ‘Same As Website Picture’ option for different characteristics of the doll. However, when I chose the as pictured option for skin tone the website picture had written on it “Skin: Light Tan” in the lower right-hand corner. What I got was a lily-white skin tone. Lesson learned: Do not choose the as picture option. Always choose from one of the other offered options. I also chose the ‘as picture’ option for the nipple color and as you can see it doesn’t match the website or factory photo. Compare the three photos. I think you’ll agree that the factory photo is not of the doll they sent me.
Regarding the skin color issue in photos, there are many different parameters that result in different presentation effects.
1) Regarding promotional photos, the camera used by the photographer, the adjusted background and lighting, etc., can all affect the photos. And there will be some photo beautification in the later stage.
2) When it comes to factory photos, we will take the picture via mobile and factory lighting (cold white light) makes the skin appear even whiter.
In addition, if you feel that the makeup on your head does not look like it or any other issues, you can contact your vendor and request them to change the makeup, to make the head similar to the promotional pictures.
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Why not just take realistic photos of the dolls? You are selling these dolls to actual buyers, not magazines. One of the most rampant issues in this industry is this kind of misleading photography. It seems to be getting worse every year.
I'd suggest a customer-initiated crackdown on "photo beautification."
Currently no doll, but here are my "finalists": FanReal, Real Lady, XYColo, Zelex SLE.
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To be fair every company does this. When was the last time you got a Big Mac that actually looked like the marketing photos?lexico wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:23 amWhy not just take realistic photos of the dolls? You are selling these dolls to actual buyers, not magazines. One of the most rampant issues in this industry is this kind of misleading photography. It seems to be getting worse every year.
I'd suggest a customer-initiated crackdown on "photo beautification."
I don't mind promo pics being "the best they can be" as long as they are genuinely achievable. ie: it's the same doll you or I could buy, just done up by someone with decent makeup skills, some fashion sense and shot with a good camera and photographic eye. If you make a higher quality doll that's just for photos, or photoshop the doll (other than basic colour correction) or even worse create the pics with AI then I'm against it.
Why don't I mind that? Because we're buying the dream, the possibility of a perfect doll. I still want some real, unimproved shots to show the basic doll exactly as it'll be when I open the box, but I'm happy to see what it *could* be with some skill and patience too.