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Ordered my first doll: WM 158 D-cup

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Hey Zippy, fun to read I'm not the only one who get's a head before a body :P You're right, hard choices; even harder than when I got mine!

I'm not familiar with the Taylor body, and Madison is think you mean the 161G; if so I had the same choice in the end! I think most people are quite pleased with that model too. For me I thought maybe the boobs to ass ratio is a bit large and might be harder to get sets for. But I was damn close to ordering that one actually. In the end, went for 158D mostly because she was lighter and bit more 'average' sized. Now I feel like I might be able to handle heavier doll, tho first like 3 months I was really glad I did not pick a 40kg one.

Thanks for the compliments man; really nice to read these kind of responses, to see some people still read pages from way back, and to see I've helped / inspired a bit; definitely my pleasure! Hahaha yes it has been quite a journey, I still remember the feeling of the first fingers breaking (damn near forgot that was so fast!), scratches, knee poking thru...man first times were shocking as hell! But I came to accept she's not perfect, I am clearly not and her design is definitely not too. So I came to expect damages since I'm not the best handles and dolls are rather tender regardless. Also, I'm no longer bothered with wear marks / damages, sometimes I even forget all about them...But that might have to do with me being a little indifferent, and I cannot stay mad at myself ;) The only thing I would really do different is get broken finger wires out asap, and well put soft stuff under elbows/knees in doggy positions.

Hahaha you're the first one to say some about that cowgirl; almost forgot already! I really thought long if I should even post that, but thought it give some better perspective on her size / how that would look. This position can be quite a bitch man tho! I've about 50/50 joy/frustration even now. That particular ride was pretty good tho ;) The having fun and enjoying this is indeed pretty much the vibe I'm having most of the time with her! Sometimes I just dress her up for fun; not even sexual but for me having this gorgeous lady hanging around is really the best part of it all for me. Feeling like a porn star every now and then is also quite nice ;)


Definitly the #122 head is a good choice to btw. I remember the 152 body pics of her in the green pants and top and then the other ones in white: jet another head model which I could not believe was the same head!! I remember even putting pictures next to each other before I could believe it. So yeah definitely some versatility in that head also! Also, when I took a quick look at the head (the one I got)...there was an instant tinteling sensation in the lower parts :P Just out of curiosity; which head was your 2nd or 3rd choice? Any other Lantina looks?

EDIT: btw I'd say this head is sure to fit the 158 nicely; it is pretty much same dimensions as my other heads, so I expect no trouble. The only heads I'd be warry of are those which are advertised on the smaller dolls <150cm; they might me smaller I reckon. But for WM at least I'd say your pretty safe buying any headon a 150> body!
Zippy81 wrote:ALl righty! I totally hear ya there! haha. I have a 122 on order through 1am currently. i just haven't decided on a body yet..(very hard choices)which is why i am asking about the 122. I just want to know if the size seems like its going to look decent on the 158 body is all. :p Ive narrowed my choices down to the Madison body (168G). The Gwen Body (158D) And today i caught myself eyeing the Taylor Body .. haha so idk. I've read your whole thread thus far though and I have to say i love how calm and level headed you've remained through the misshaps and such since day three. And more yet how you've took the misshaps and still managed to make your model blossom and come alive. Pretty cool. Totally laughed at the fearlessness you portrayed in posting the happy face cowgirl "exercise" photo btw. Loved it. Overall though your thread has a " im having fun and totally enjoying this" air about it. Seems very fun and inspiring so thanks!
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LOL

So I got home from my grandma bit late and decided to stay in, have some wine and chill a bit with Mya, she was eager to put on some new stuff.
When I got a doll I thought one day I'll dress her up as a princess (come to think of it, might be sort of like you mean Scuba)...
You know to roll-play f*cking royalty basically ;) Nut really Victorian dresses or so is what I was looking for; but they are quite expensive!
So a few weeks ago I finally bought a princess dress... for girls 14yr hahaha figured she might fit it...though from the dimensions and looks it knew it might be difficult...

Well...in the end she DID fit it, however she totally looks like some pregnant lady hahaha which is not really a turn on for me :roll: .
The costume (well at the breast and shoulders) was so tight I had to literally cut her out of it :P Made some pics anyways for fun, and who knows maybe this IS someones thing ;)
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Guys, seriously, have you ever had that when you look at ya gal, after like 2 seconds, you just have to look away..?
Kind of like you are looking at the sun; she's just to hot to look at!!

Just did my 2nd tattoo. A big one :P really smart for 2nd tattoo ;) it could definitely have gone better, but still it came on okay (far from perfect) and gotta say looks crazy hot:P
It does glimmer, and by no means does the tattoo look really 'real'. Colors are a bit to 'vivid' too maybe. But that's being negative, all in all looks awesome:D
There are already cracks in it tho, and I fear (well have good reason to suspect) that if I move the knee, it'll crack...so I wonder how long it will last.

I've also done my first make-up (little bit + lips) on this face. Of course messed up the lip gloss at the very end...and spend half a hour fixing...sort off at least.
So yeah, but the end result is still pretty nice. Like I said, seriously, hahaha it might all be in my head but I just hear her say stuff like 'do me' every time I look at her ;)
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Yea the Madson is the 161G I love the Body but the head I really want (#86) makes the neck look a lil long on it and I mean like just a smidgeon. The factory put together some pics of the combo to give me an idea which was awesome of them.. Although I still haven’t totally ruled out getting it anyways with a different head maybe.. idk.. haha. Most of my decisive turmoil falls to that #86 head though as I want it on my first doll... it really reminds me of someone I used to see.. I know for sure the #86 head looks cute on the 158D and with your feedback on the 122.. that kind of helps me lean back towards the 158D body at bit and let the Madison body go.. But…. Lol.. the taylor body is kinda nice.. shes almost a mix of (161G) and the (158D). I like the boobs allot @.@ haha. Yea I’ve read allot about the weights.. I ordered a dumbbell set and set them up to total 90 lbs.(together). I have been lifting those okay (not reps or anything but just to get used to the dead weight lifting.) :p.. it is heavy for sure but I think I’ll be used to it by time I actually get a doll. Not ordering until mid march.(I’ve already got the I want another one madness! Haha..) BUT if I do decide on the 158D I’ll be golden for sure as far as handling the weight. The Taylor weighs a bit more (79.5lbs) but that’s ad stats and might vary a bit. I’ve also planned out moving the doll without lifting her much so I got a tall roller chair with roller blade style casters on it. (this forum is valuable) :p SAVES ALLOT OF TRIAL AND ERROR haha. Anyways I hear ya on the buying outfits though and is also one of my concerns.. I plan on doing photo shoots also. Just seems like a pretty fun idea. Ive already got my first one planned lol! (Steam punk cowgirl) You’re welcome on the compliments! And yea the interesting thing about these dolls aside from the artistic applications and such is just the exercise they can give someone also. :p kinda a win win win win and more win..? lol As far as your damage adventures I think its good that you’ve portrayed that “ its still fun” after the fact. Everything is a mind state/set anyways! Oh and I was wondering that exact thing about how the doll might size up IRL so again thanks for braving the wild haha. Ive read allot of people saying cowgirl is hard with the dolls. I wonder if a memory foam mattress would help with that position at all. Haha yea the 122 head reminds me of someone too XD Thanks for the heads up on it matching up okay. I also loved the pics of the 122 head on the 170h. pretty nice. And its funny you mention the pictures side by side thing because that’s also what I’ve done XD Nothing on my list Latina like though. At least not this early in the game so far haha. Below is the ones I want eventually.. It’s not a super long list is it??.. or do I have a problem already? Lol XD.. I wish the manufacturers would show what each head looks like on each body to help give potential buyers an idea of how that head would look. Maybe not even with makeup just so people could gauge if the proportions go together. Anyways I’ll cut this book short as to not fill up your thread page! Hah. I put some pics of the taylor off of 1 ams site below also.

Taylor: (Thinking I might just order this exact doll and get the #86 head after that.. that way i'll know what im getting and wont be stuck with the 86 or 122 head looking funny on a nice body. Then i'll just order the 158D next year :p
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I like the 3rd dress pic the best of the 3 and of the first set of snake skin top pics I like the middle the best of those 3.

I’m hoping I get to experience that urge to look away I think haha. Tatoo! Nice! Where did you get it? Do you use water to put it on? Was it hard? I want to do a back tat on the spine of mine when I get it. I saw some DIY temp tattoo inkjet paper on amazon I might try that.. but it will be awhile before I attempt that.. I have other photo shoots I want to do first that would conflict with the kind I want :p What kind of lip gloss you use? Is it hard to remove?

As for the other sets I like:

# 3 of the first set
#3 of the second set (the slightly tilted head gives her face a bit more sex appeal and realistic flare)
#3 of the 3rd set.. Whats with number 3 being the preferred one.. haha (all three are great though)
#1 of the 4th set (love the eye contact feeling there) would have been nice to have her slightly looking back towards wall too maybe.
#2 of the 5th set (tilted head again)
#2 of the 6th set
#2 of the 7th.. (now its all 2s that are preferred lol)
And as far as the last two go both nice. Did you consider perhaps moving a small amount of hair onto her face (going off the side of her nose) and Maybe have her eye looking through . That might add some more sex appeal to the shot. (especially to the right hand one)

All in all very nice though! The eyes go well with the top for sure. Also; do you use photography lighting or just the flash? A lamp or?

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Hey Zippy hahaha tha's a lot of text...but who am I to say ;) could use some alinea's tho :P

The lifting of dumbells is good practice I think, tho I've see it argued that maybe like a bag of cement or some is better to represent actual dead weight like a dolls. That Taylor body sure looks curvy and fleshy man, hard to believe it's only that weight; she looks like more to me. Think I've seen the roller chair you mentioned; seems like decent way to prevent injuries! Handling dolls is definitely exercise hahaha first few weeks I grew some muscles for sure :P

Photo shoots are really fun, I'll be sure to check them in the future if you post any, bet you got some good ideas, steampunk sounds fun. Think the memory foam does help a bit (I've got one). I hear you on the marketing thing; really baffles me sometimes how little pictures there are of some heads, let alone on different body models. That Taylor combo looks pretty nice tho for sure. And yeah I'd say you are already portraying symptoms of heavy doll addiction ;)

I like that head list! only the #198 does not really appeal to me, all other's I'd say are pretty nice. Plus I have a thing for the #15 and the #157 (Dolicious2 has great thread on that head). Bet you'll be collecting may of these in due time :D I've gotten heads now in 3 instances, and every time right after I get them I draw up a new list :D. Bet you too will be making more of them ;)

Zippy81 wrote: I’m hoping I get to experience that urge to look away I think haha. Tatoo! Nice! Where did you get it? Do you use water to put it on? Was it hard? I want to do a back tat on the spine of mine when I get it. I saw some DIY temp tattoo inkjet paper on amazon I might try that.. but it will be awhile before I attempt that.. I have other photo shoots I want to do first that would conflict with the kind I want :p What kind of lip gloss you use? Is it hard to remove?
Glad to see you like the tattoo and have already plans for this yourself. I got it from some sort of 'dollar' store here, it is the water type yeah: you 'damp' it a bit at the picture site, press it on the skin and then again water it with like a sponge (more water this time), and kind off go over it...big one was harder, missed some side parts and the knee was hard (fold in the tattoo/paper). DIY inkject paper does not really say much to me, but DIY is good most of the time. The tattoo itself btw got on pretty easy (considering it's my first big one, smaller ones will be way easier) and also with just some baby oil it get's of easily.

The lips gloss is kind of nasty stuff it stick to everything and smears easily, got some from ebay; so many option, mostly cleaning excess (drawing out of the edges - correcting that) is kind off a bitch too. Often I put it on, and then take a lot of it off (with toilet paper dipping) so I don't get it on everything. Some of the color remains tho as it's kind off 'mixes' into the TPE. Really wish I knew of something that looks nice, but does not smear / give of so easily.

Zippy81 wrote: As for the other sets I like:

# 3 of the first set
#3 of the second set (the slightly tilted head gives her face a bit more sex appeal and realistic flare)
#3 of the 3rd set.. Whats with number 3 being the preferred one.. haha (all three are great though)
#1 of the 4th set (love the eye contact feeling there) would have been nice to have her slightly looking back towards wall too maybe.
#2 of the 5th set (tilted head again)
#2 of the 6th set
#2 of the 7th.. (now its all 2s that are preferred lol)
And as far as the last two go both nice. Did you consider perhaps moving a small amount of hair onto her face (going off the side of her nose) and Maybe have her eye looking through . That might add some more sex appeal to the shot. (especially to the right hand one)

All in all very nice though! The eyes go well with the top for sure. Also; do you use photography lighting or just the flash? A lamp or?
Just checked the pics again, nice to see which ones you liked best btw, and I pretty much got those same preferences. Really like that slightly tilt too. The comments you gave are good to, definitly the hair in front of eyes would have looked more sexy!

Tried to match the eyes and eye shadow to the color of the top; nice to see you noticed :D For the pics, basically the flash in this one, but I did also have my desk-lamp aimed at her / her tat, but don't think that really qualifies for phography lighting ;p but there was definilty some additional light. BTW I myself really love the look with little less light, but it comes of better irl than in the pics, but just a bit more realistic looking. Gotta say, I'm still sort of surprised how real she looks sometimes. At my first order I was pretty sure photoshop did the trick, but man they really are gorgeous ;P


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Just did a quick setup in my living room...not my most inspired / quality pic's, but just wanted to show the tat standing for better feel for the size.
Also got some matching snake skin high heels, nose ring thingy, and got a little snake in her ear too :P
Lifted her down the stairs without bending the knees hahaha so the tat still holds for now.
Putting her in heels keeps amazing me every time first few secs after she stand are like WOW!
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Yea after looking back on that I guess it was a book lol. Sorry! Yea I’m thinking the Taylor is more likely in the mid 80s weight range. Although her boobs don’t poke out as far as the Madison body and shes a lil shorter and her waist and hips are smaller also. So I think it’s a matter of they repositioned the weight to her legs and arms? Lol im addicted already and haven’t even ordered #1.. sigh.. oh well.. lol. I get my 122 head on Monday though excited about that.I got the email this am saying it was complete. Lol I wasn’t even expecting it until like march maybe.. didn’t know. I just ordered it on the 5th of January. As for the 198 head.. its not one of my favs either but I think I could turn it into something :p As for the heads I’m rather limited in space.. so I think I’ll probably keep it to like half of the list.. But then I have to decide haha.. Ah good to know on the gloss. I plan on sticking with powders I think maybe lipsticks. I don’t plan on doing much with the head and face really in terms of touching and such :p So I think very temporary will suite me. ( of course I haven’t seen one yet so who knows haha things change.) But yea I was looking again at you last pics before the downstairs set and I’m thinking I want to see freckles on her nose bridge area. I think that would be cute in an appealing way though. I hear what you’re saying on the less = more with light and realism for photos. And that is a big tat for sure! I’m thinking on the right hand pic of downstairs set have her looking down towards where the floor and wall intersect. With eyes looking down or maybe even towards the camera. Perhaps have her left arm up on her left boob kinda off of the side of it. I dont know what the balancing allows for but you could also try having her elbows and palms against the wall arch her back so the boobs poke out a bit and perhps one leg slightly bent.. ( again idk if she would be able to stabilize though) :p Are the eyes hard to position? The heels are definitely nice though! :D I think it’ll be a while before I attempt heels though haha.. I’ll start with boots of some kind I think..

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Zippy81 wrote:I don’t plan on doing much with the head and face really in terms of touching and such :p So I think very temporary will suite me. ( of course I haven’t seen one yet so who knows haha things change.)
:haha4: give it some time, plans change ;)


Regarding the positioning; the 'harder' you make the position, the harder too will be the balancing. For example the breast sticking out like you said can be done quite easily to some degree, however there is that turning point where the back is arched to far and/or the breast weight pulls the doll forward towards ground to much; there are certain limitations. Heels start out kind off hard to begin with, and leaning / not having weight at center is tricky.

Left arm @ left boob, man I am sorry to tell you but that is not possible...Just one of the many things designers have no interest in improving. I've considered adjusting the arm myself...tho unfortunately metal works I know nothing off. The best you can do is put the left arm on far side of her right boob...but with my floppy fingers it's not that appealing...made pic anyway to show you.

The eyes well yeah kind off, I do not find it easy but also not hard but sometimes it's quite annoying. It depends on how perfect you're satisfied with how hard it is ;). It's a little easier with smaller than standard eyes tho (less friction) and in some case I got out little excess cotton from behind the eye.



So normally I don't take that much pics of one setup, but this snake skin really drives me mad :P
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lol im sure they will. :p Ah okay, well i guess we do what is allowed for I guess! :) Hmm. do you have the shrugging shoulders skeleton? I plan on getting it on mine. I do think that what you did with the hand looks great though! Love that one ! I would have loved to see it on the very first ful body view pic..annnnd.. lol with eyes to camera! Still want to see that face with freckles haha! :p Love the accessories Ankle bracelet and nose ring. (is the nose ring piercing?) I have thoughts on doing that as well as the belly button.Thinking I might go fake though as to not puncture anything more than I have to XD Uh oh.. lol..I'm a stickler for eyes @.@ they are the windows after all :p Cant wait to get the head on Monday so I can test all these things out! The darker set of pics make me think that she is going to tilt her head towards her chest and turned slightly to the left with her hair in her face. (Kinda messy like.) lol I have to say the potential fun of all this is making me impatient.. XD Im not gonna make it until march XD

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Zippy81 wrote:lol im sure they will. :p Ah okay, well i guess we do what is allowed for I guess! :) Hmm. do you have the shrugging shoulders skeleton? I plan on getting it on mine. I do think that what you did with the hand looks great though! Love that one ! I would have loved to see it on the very first ful body view pic..annnnd.. lol with eyes to camera! Still want to see that face with freckles haha! :p Love the accessories Ankle bracelet and nose ring. (is the nose ring piercing?) I have thoughts on doing that as well as the belly button.Thinking I might go fake though as to not puncture anything more than I have to XD Uh oh.. lol..I'm a stickler for eyes @.@ they are the windows after all :p Cant wait to get the head on Monday so I can test all these things out! The darker set of pics make me think that she is going to tilt her head towards her chest and turned slightly to the left with her hair in her face. (Kinda messy like.) lol I have to say the potential fun of all this is making me impatient.. XD Im not gonna make it until march XD
Ey man, well after just seeing your thread on the eyeballs I'm quite positive you'll be a very creative doll owner!

The nose one is a fake; it does not pierce. It has like one side you can press in, and locks back after release. Did not want to make that hole permanent. All my ear ones are 'real' tho. Also have some sort of clip on or at least 'hang on' for the outer ears: will show later. The belly button is a;so real, have not checked the mark jet when it gets out. To me the accessorizes really add that last bit of detail to my girl.

Yesterday I switched heads back to my #82. Renamed her Tanya btw, since well I can :P she did not speak up against it so yeah ;)
Did a thorough cleaning with baby oil and re powdered afterwards. The head was a sticky covered in stuff, really big mess (did not really do head cleaning in my routine).
During cleaning I left the (kind of first try, not they do not look so good) eyebrows cuz I was lazy...also have not really found a good solution jet.

Also left the lips. Previously I had already removed the excess (which might smear off) lipgloss.
The color the lips are now (below pics) is basically the 'new' standard color after some purple and pink lipgloss (it has stained the TPE of the lips that way).
Don't love the color, but the principle is really nice tho. The real plus side is, it does not give off while kissing...and Tanya, well I must kiss!
And lastly I accidentally put a dark color eye shadow above her top lit...cuz I was high as hell 0X. Decided to finish it either way and sort of tried darker smokey eyes.


Here's some quick previews from yesterday. I'd also put in MF's eyelids. This is the only head I've tried them on. Sort of mixed feelings about the appearance, but I do like the eyes closed look on her.
Also I am making some gifs right now, from her on the bed next to me sleeping and waking up for a quick hj, since I did not stop staring at her tits :P
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The gif's from above. Hope this gives some impression of what the eyelids can do!
Kind of 'roll played' she fell asleep next to me, to much to drink ;) and I 'without her knowing /waking up' jerked off hahaha was fun :P
Got half the tattoo of, kind of messy, and right now in doubt bout going to bed or trying another braid :whistle:
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Re: Ordered my first doll: WM 158 D-cup

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avante wrote:Guys, seriously, have you ever had that when you look at ya gal, after like 2 seconds, you just have to look away..?
Kind of like you are looking at the sun; she's just to hot to look at!!

Just did my 2nd tattoo. A big one :P really smart for 2nd tattoo ;) it could definitely have gone better, but still it came on okay (far from perfect) and gotta say looks crazy hot:P
It does glimmer, and by no means does the tattoo look really 'real'. Colors are a bit to 'vivid' too maybe. But that's being negative, all in all looks awesome:D
There are already cracks in it tho, and I fear (well have good reason to suspect) that if I move the knee, it'll crack...so I wonder how long it will last.

I've also done my first make-up (little bit + lips) on this face. Of course messed up the lip gloss at the very end...and spend half a hour fixing...sort off at least.
So yeah, but the end result is still pretty nice. Like I said, seriously, hahaha it might all be in my head but I just hear her say stuff like 'do me' every time I look at her ;)
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I like the natural look, what about just using some lip gloss on it :)

edit: sry image isnt shown properly.. I meant the blonde one some posts earlier..


and to the recent post... thats a very pretty face and nice makeup. what head is it if I may ask?

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Re: Ordered my first doll: WM 158 D-cup

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Looks great! I love that head. And yea MFs eyelids totally up the realism! Love the gifs too great sense of realism there. :D

Edit: The hair line on that wig is fabulous.

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Re: Ordered my first doll: WM 158 D-cup

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looking good, reminds me a bit of katy ann:

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Re: Ordered my first doll: WM 158 D-cup

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distiller wrote:
I like the natural look, what about just using some lip gloss on it :)
edit: sry image isnt shown properly.. I meant the blonde one some posts earlier..
and to the recent post... thats a very pretty face and nice makeup. what head is it if I may ask?
The blonde one I have going from natural (well pretty colorless) lips to very red. You mean like with less lip gloss?
I did smear some off in the later set. Mostly it looks little less wet and more matte with that.

The face from that last one is the #82. Thanks man! I find it a really lovely face myself too. It seems sort of older, and reminds me bit of Angelina Jolie
I think for me the #82 and the #149 (blonde with braid few pages back) are the prettiest of my head hunters collection.
And indeed she looks like that Katy girl, some face similarities, but especially since a lot of color tones from both hair, eyes, dress and lips are quite alike.
Zippy81 wrote:Looks great! I love that head. And yea MFs eyelids totally up the realism! Love the gifs too great sense of realism there. :D
Edit: The hair line on that wig is fabulous.
Glad you like the gifs, and that sense of realism. Will make some more with pics 'closer togther' or like 'smaller changes in angle'...kind of hard to put in English;)
Yeah that sleepy / eyes closed face is nice ey. One of these days I think I'll better get some like more permanent / better sticking paint for them tho...

And these wigs, gotta say they are a real upgrade to the standard ones. I've got a few pretty good normal ones, but the quality on these fl wigs is just way better.
It looks more natural, feels more natural, can be put in different ways more naturally and with that hair line really looks more natural. So more natural is the key word here :D
Also it sheds less hairs, is not sooo easily tangled, can handle more force / movement, and is brushed clear of tangles in shorter time (without loosing half the wig ;))
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My doll experience : WM 158D tales & pics: viewtopic.php?f=215&t=85063&start=465
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