Diagram of WM doll skeleton
Diagram of WM doll skeleton
Is there a mid back joint to allow the back to lay flat?
How are the joints designed and would they loosen with oil?
Also does oiling a TPE doll (TPE only) seep all the way inside and oil the joints?
Sorry that's maybe a bit technical but I would love to know
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Hi Mike,mike-fish wrote:On the subject of joints, does anyone know of a diagram of a WM doll skeleton?
Is there a mid back joint to allow the back to lay flat?
I'd also like to get more details on the skeleton.
WM dolls do have a mid-back joint; I've adjusted my 140 to everything from a forward-arching "slumping" posture to the opposite--where her cute booty is really sticking out--and everything in-between including totally flat. It was hard to adjust at first but got looser and easier after a few adjustments. When she's in an upright sitting position I will put a hand on her lower belly and gently push her upper back with the other hand to arch her forward. The opposite will arch backwards; a firm hand bracing her lower back while applying pressure to her upper chest.
One thing I haven't done is rotate her upper body at the waist; I think this is possible too, but gave me too much resistance the one time I tried and I was worried I'd hurt her. Need to research a bit more.
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I have an image of the old skeleton - before they started using the back joint.
So yes, there is a back joint, although sometimes it's quite stiff and you have to push your knee into the spine to move it (on some dolls.)
If that helps.
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Thanks Phil, that's somewhat helpful, although other changes have likely been made. Buyers are often too horny to think about practical stuff, so it doesn't occur to them to seek this info. On some level, the companies benefit from these urgent horny purchases because the customer will likely damage the doll soon, and in theory, buy another sooner than they might have if they knew better.The-Doll-House wrote:I have an image of the old skeleton - before they started using the back joint.
I find it really frustrating that up-to-date diagrams aren't made available to the public directly on the websites. Not just WM, but all of the manufacturers' sites. I think DS does on their site, but I don't know of any other company that provides this critical information. If we're spending $X,ooo on a product, the first thing we should know is the product's movement capabilities and restrictions.
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Also does oiling a TPE doll (TPE only) seep all the way inside and oil the joints?
In regards to above, one thing I can tell you for sure is some joints are wrapped tightly with special teflon like tape. IOW, under the TPE, there is NO direct access to all the joints.
For example, the ankle joint.
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Which ones please.Booty Call Dolls wrote: In regards to above, one thing I can tell you for sure is some joints are wrapped tightly with special teflon like tape. IOW, under the TPE, there is NO direct access to all the joints.
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I agree 100%. When I was considering buying a doll from one of the other TDF-approved manufacturers I asked for a picture of the skeleton but they refused saying it's their trade secret. So, we are supposed to buy a very expensive product without the knowledge of what's inside and how durable it is. Makes no sense.Seattle Slew wrote:I find it really frustrating that up-to-date diagrams aren't made available to the public directly on the websites. Not just WM, but all of the manufacturers' sites. I think DS does on their site, but I don't know of any other company that provides this critical information. If we're spending $X,ooo on a product, the first thing we should know is the product's movement capabilities and restrictions.
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Thanks for the old skeleton picture, any idea what age it is, for the doll owners from that era?
For the new dolls , I have seen demonstration videos of doll movement that has all the information we need. Although perhaps a list of articulation points and how far they move would help.
For instance I have just read that Silicon dolls have a smaller range of movement than TPE dolls. Is that true for all Silicon v TPE dolls ?
It's probably true that only a very few doll owners are actually interested in the technical side of the dolls (proved by the very little interest in this question). I think the majority of owners treat their dolls with upmost respect and slowly and carefully find out how they move, which is fine and the best way to do it.
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That is a very old skeleton photo. There are mid back rotation nd bend joints (forward backward, not side to side) wrist rotations as well as hinged ankles and feet. It is because WM have paid attention to these upgrades making a very capable doll that I enthuse about them. Photographically this skeleton won't provide indefinite posing as the joints will loosen, but they hold posing ability for long enough to have really good fun with them posing for photos as models and fantasy characters, and afterwards are excellent for their original and intended function
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Without opening to investigate and based on others comments that they could rotate but not bend, I think the hinging and rotation bits are different parts like in the shoulders and hips, and not a single part like the knees and elbows. I would wager the hinge is below and the rotation bit above, reversing the orientation of the shoulders and hips.
If it weren't for the terrible sound the neck makes when moved around, it would do well to have same tubing for the back instead of a stiff metal bar. It would certainly give better range of motion and allow for tilting to one side or the other which isn't allowed today.
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Seriously though there are people out their with the means of getting a doll xrayed. What about an airport scanner?
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Most of the demonstration videos I've seen are crude and don't show the full range of the joints' capabilities, and in all directions. It would take 20 minutes to go through all that, and these videos are usually 2 or 3 minutes with a lot of redundant footage, like left arm movement and then right arm movement, left leg movement and then right, as if there would be a difference.mike-fish wrote:For the new dolls , I have seen demonstration videos of doll movement that has all the information we need. Although perhaps a list of articulation points and how far they move would help.
Many doll owners don't realise they're interested in this stuff until it's too late. Even being incredibly cautious, when the doll is new, she's very stiff. First time owners have had plenty of accidents while trying to discover the range of motion. It may be fine for you, but it's not unanimous.mike-fish wrote:It's probably true that only a very few doll owners are actually interested in the technical side of the dolls (proved by the very little interest in this question). I think the majority of owners treat their dolls with upmost respect and slowly and carefully find out how they move, which is fine and the best way to do it.
I hope you told them what to do with their trade secret. What a bunch of baloney.Guest7 wrote:When I was considering buying a doll from one of the other TDF-approved manufacturers I asked for a picture of the skeleton but they refused saying it's their trade secret. So, we are supposed to buy a very expensive product without the knowledge of what's inside and how durable it is. Makes no sense.
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