The Doll Forum

Wow, I hadn't realized that there was any point where we could have seen pictures of real people doing explicit activities with their dolls. Personally, I think this place is better off for it. I mean, this is a classy, classy thread, and...well, to be quite frank...it would be a bit sleazy if people could post pics of them making love with their ladies. I don't particularly want to see that. I'm here for the dolls themselves.

Pfft, and what are the standards for proving a doll is 18? There really should be some written standards to enable doll manufacturers, to, say make a Mini Love Doll or Candy8Teen with something less than a DD cup. Just because a doll is short doesn't mean it's a minor. And, from what little I've seen, if a doll (usually from Asia) is supposed to be a minor, then it looks like a minor. Ugh... Both things disgust me, the fact that we need 'proof' and the fact that companies make dolls modeled after children. Ugh... Did I mention 'ugh...'?

Oiy, people can be so reactionary and clueless about the truth of a law. Time for a rant here. This is directed at all of the posters who think there's some great first amendment violation here.

First of all, 18 U.S.C. section 2257 was not created to limit any free speech nor to shield minors from exposure to porn. I remember when this went into effect. The law was created before the internet came into being. Simply put, it requires anyone who makes porn to have absolute proof that the model is over 18 and to keep records of such in case of a controversy. The reason it was created was due to the Traci Lords scandal. Remember her? A 15 year old girl who used a fake ID to get into porn? The new law was made for a few basic reasons. To protect producers from making child porn unknowingly, to protect underage models from sexual exploitation in the porn industry, to protect distributors from selling child porn unknowingly, and to protect consumers from buying child porn. Before this law went into effect, there may have been a lot more underage models out there besides Traci Lords that nobody knew about. Having info that proves the model is over 18 keeps people safer from prosecution.

Please people, don't be blowing smoke about something unless you get the facts. There's no conspiracy here, no matter what you'd like to believe.

Conspiracy? What conspiracy?
Spirit:
I should say, though, that I did not understand the law. Thank you for clearing that up for myself and the other misinformed posters out there. Laws and politics are not my strong suit, so I tend to assume the worst when I hear about restrictions and what I perceive falsely as obstructions to free speech.

That law sounds perfectly sound.

IMO, you described the law's intent brilliantly. You do see to come off, to me anyways [perception], as if you believe that a law's intent is how it will always be enforced / believing otherwise == crazy, in which case I point to history. The fact, for example, that somebody can get put on the sex offender's list for getting caught pissing in a bush is one example. You're right to insist we don't overreact, but we SHOULD be vigilant.

TFreeman wrote:IMO, you described the law's intent brilliantly. You do see to come off, to me anyways [perception], as if you believe that a law's intent is how it will always be enforced / believing otherwise == crazy, in which case I point to history. The fact, for example, that somebody can get put on the sex offender's list for getting caught pissing in a bush is one example. You're right to insist we don't overreact, but we SHOULD be vigilant.

Wow, that's quite a leap of assumptions based on one post, and highly insulting. I don't need a history lesson about law intent and reality. The point I'm making about this law is that it's not just some stupid law meant to censor anyone, but meant to protect children, producers, distributors, and consumers from child porn. It was made WAY before anyone even heard of the internet (around 1987 or so), so everyone's ridiculous conspiracy theories about this law to censor the internet is way off base.

Wow...

Zombification! What a great internet tradition!

Thank-you, LadyPeridot for digging this thread out of the depths of the distant past. So many familiar names and personalities that have now vanished into the mists. Only six years and yet, so much has happened.

Thank-you SpiritfireM for the much needed and very accurate clarification. I'd forgotten that this law came into affect in response to the Traci Lords scandal. Heck, I've even forgotten about the scandal itself!

Although it is against excruciating emotional resistance, I will not comment on the politics or the conspiracies. Besides, once I got started I'd wind up writing an entire book!

Christine2 wrote:Another GOP small government idea....

OH! I love it! That's really kicking them in the b***s! Can I use that sometime?

Vive la France! erm... Oh! Canada... show me your Beaver! lolz.

Well I will be very carefull to not show even explicit photo's of the doll.