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by **jbl182** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:58 am

I dont have a pencil. But i like those toys.

by **DoctorDuke** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:57 am

yeah - I also had the new Doll Sweet Ex-Lite - great figure but unsable for sex. Pussy has weired inserts that are too tight and crotch skin material rips if just open the legs wide enough to try to have sex with this very beautiful doll. And no oral and no anal = this doll is for modeling or photos only - not a sex toy.

by **Dollyman25442** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:06 pm

amytyl wrote:
Dollyman25442 wrote:
amytyl wrote:Those are the uterus style inserts (I have 8 of them, the cervix is my favorite part), how does turning them inside out damage them?
Could you talk more about this?
I'm interested in obtaining an insert like this but have wondered about the many posts I've seen claiming they can't be turned inside out for cleaning.
Your post seems to imply they can be turned inside out for cleaning. Is this true?
Perhaps it's a girth thing, but I had 3 (now 2) that I wasn't using, the rest I use with my various dolls and I never noticed a difference after turning them inside out to clean. My favorite thing about them is the feeling of entering the cervix, and that was just as good on an unused one as with the ones I've been turning inside out to clean for months.

Thanks for that info!
I ordered one from BCD

by **Nord** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:13 am

Dollstudio wrote: ...........

But the "G" type is total crap (my opinion) - unless someone explains to me for which use case this thing is designed.

Sandro

I've been messing around with that insert a bit for the past couple of weeks since I got my Ex-Lite. As far as I know it was indeed designed for the Ex-Lite, and for that reason I understand why it's made as it is. The entry it's supposed to fit in is not very big and certainly not very stretchy. The cavity of the sleeve is small because the material still needs to be thick enough to not break too easily from use. What they did miss in this matter however is the bottom, which is a lot thinner than the walls and could easily break if poked regularly, or especially if trying to insert it by using a ladle or something. From what I've read in the past though this is a regular problem on DS inserts (not personal experience).

I agree the opening could still be a bit bigger to ease entry before pushing into the canal, or else it's easy to slip around, and probably impossible to get in if you're not hard enough. It's indeed just a matter of time before it tears up, although mine has been holding up pretty good after four rounds now. When inside I still think it's a pretty good feeling though. It's much like the cavity of my 6Ye minidoll, which is even tighter but of more stretchy TPE material. Except for the texture which is more rough due to the harder silicone. It will constantly try to push you out, but which is not a problem as long as you stay hard enough and use enough lube.

As for the aesthetic exterior design I think it looks incredibly good in detail. The size is actually slightly bigger than the vag on my WM140, so it's not weird in my eyes. Granted, it's made for a much taller doll, but most dolls in general are not very realistic when it comes to proportions anyway, and therefore I tend to compare them more to fantasy/cartoon characters than real people. Anything designed in Asia always tend to be more or less influenced by their anime culture as well, so that's also something to keep in mind before comparing to real life references like the ability to give birth to a child, lol.

Ultimately however I'd have to agree that it's quite useless for its purpose. The Ex-Lite is not maneuverable enough for proper sex-positions imo, and this supertight insert really doesn't make it easier, nor does it look very good on a doll. It's very hard to use properly, and is likely to break quickly. Due to the very tight and deep canal you'll also need an aquarium pump to vent it after cleaning until it's dry. I've ended up using this as a hand held sleeve for quicker vr-adventures instead

by **amytyl** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:31 pm

Dollyman25442 wrote:
amytyl wrote:Those are the uterus style inserts (I have 8 of them, the cervix is my favorite part), how does turning them inside out damage them?
Could you talk more about this?
I'm interested in obtaining an insert like this but have wondered about the many posts I've seen claiming they can't be turned inside out for cleaning.
Your post seems to imply they can be turned inside out for cleaning. Is this true?

Perhaps it's a girth thing, but I had 3 (now 2) that I wasn't using, the rest I use with my various dolls and I never noticed a difference after turning them inside out to clean. My favorite thing about them is the feeling of entering the cervix, and that was just as good on an unused one as with the ones I've been turning inside out to clean for months.

by **kimmilove** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:03 pm

Dollstudio wrote:Hi,

let's take a look at another insert. This one is from Doll Sweet and goes by the name "type G".

The insert is something around ~16 cm long. Not quite spacious, but should be sufficient for most average males. At least in regard to length.

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This silicone insert has a mushroom-like shape; generally, that's not a bad idea considering that some dolls like the EX-lite are not easy to clean and/or can not be showered. For a fabric doll, this mushroom shape makes a lot of sense.

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Also, at first sight the insert looks quite nice. But when looking closer it does not look right - I have never seen a grown-up woman with a small vagina like this.

And it's getting worse:

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The opening has approximately the same diameter like a lead pencil. Honestly guys, who has a 'pencil' in his pants that could fit into this hole? According to DS, this insert is "better for sex". Really?

Yeah, silicone is stretchy and will dilate, you might say. I tried that, first with my index finger and then with a steel speculum.

Result: I could hardly penetrate this "type G" insert with my index finger. When spreading the opening and forcing the way into this tiny opening, it starts to tear everywhere:

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And now it gets from "bad" to "idiotic" (my opinion)…

Not only the opening hole is sized for pencils…

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…the whole thing is sized for pencils:

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In regard to it's size, this canal is not a vagina but rather a dilated urethra. Or maybe it's sized like a the vagina of a child, I don't know. As far as I can tell, the size of this insert has nothing to do with an adult womans anatomy.

Whoever designed this thing - the vaginal canal in an adult human woman is designed to give birth to a child. This insert could never give birth to a human child. Maybe it could give birth to an earthworm. Inserts like this are nothing but an insult for an average Caucasian male. They are totally useless for sex.

Doll Sweet is capable to design very fine inserts, for example "type B". The "B" insert accomodates to any average Caucasian male. But the "G" type is total crap (my opinion) - unless someone explains to me for which use case this thing is designed.

Sandro

So refreshing to hear a critical opinion from a doll reseller! You name very good points Sandro. And funny too!

by **Dollyman25442** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:51 pm

amytyl wrote:Those are the uterus style inserts (I have 8 of them, the cervix is my favorite part), how does turning them inside out damage them?

Could you talk more about this?
I'm interested in obtaining an insert like this but have wondered about the many posts I've seen claiming they can't be turned inside out for cleaning.
Your post seems to imply they can be turned inside out for cleaning. Is this true?

by **Dollstudio** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:19 pm

Hi,

let's take a look at another insert. This one is from Doll Sweet and goes by the name "type G".

The insert is something around ~16 cm long. Not quite spacious, but should be sufficient for most average males. At least in regard to length.

: DSC05323.JPG (124.73 KiB) Viewed 3910 times

This silicone insert has a mushroom-like shape; generally, that's not a bad idea considering that some dolls like the EX-lite are not easy to clean and/or can not be showered. For a fabric doll, this mushroom shape makes a lot of sense.

: DSC05315.JPG (167.87 KiB) Viewed 3910 times

Also, at first sight the insert looks quite nice. But when looking closer it does not look right - I have never seen a grown-up woman with a small vagina like this.

And it's getting worse:

: DSC05317.JPG (143.57 KiB) Viewed 3910 times

The opening has approximately the same diameter like a lead pencil. Honestly guys, who has a 'pencil' in his pants that could fit into this hole? According to DS, this insert is "better for sex". Really?

Yeah, silicone is stretchy and will dilate, you might say. I tried that, first with my index finger and then with a steel speculum.

Result: I could hardly penetrate this "type G" insert with my index finger. When spreading the opening and forcing the way into this tiny opening, it starts to tear everywhere:

: DSC05318.JPG (164.66 KiB) Viewed 3910 times

: DSC05319.JPG (172.61 KiB) Viewed 3910 times

And now it gets from "bad" to "idiotic" (my opinion)…

Not only the opening hole is sized for pencils…

: DSC05326.JPG (107.58 KiB) Viewed 3910 times

…the whole thing is sized for pencils:

: DSC05325.JPG (188.97 KiB) Viewed 3910 times

In regard to it's size, this canal is not a vagina but rather a dilated urethra. Or maybe it's sized like a the vagina of a child, I don't know. As far as I can tell, the size of this insert has nothing to do with an adult womans anatomy.

Whoever designed this thing - the vaginal canal in an adult human woman is designed to give birth to a child. This insert could never give birth to a human child. Maybe it could give birth to an earthworm. Inserts like this are nothing but an insult for an average Caucasian male. They are totally useless for sex.

Doll Sweet is capable to design very fine inserts, for example "type B". The "B" insert accomodates to any average Caucasian male. But the "G" type is total crap (my opinion) - unless someone explains to me for which use case this thing is designed.

Sandro

by **Booty Call Dolls** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:16 pm

Sandro,
Thank you for bringing this issue up.
When ever people want built in, I ask them if they are familiar with the TPE ball?
I then ask if they are going to with draw or use condoms.
Best,
Jeff

by **Nord** » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:13 pm

swann wrote:Hmm. This problem is with built-in vag type right? Just got my insert doll recently and have been thinking of trying the "back door", but haven't due to possible cleaning issues.

As far as I know it's the same with models that have inserts as well, but since most fluids stay inside the insert it's not a big problem on those. If you for whatever reason need to clean the cavity that holds the insert, you need to be just as careful with that ball.

The anal canal is safe however, as it is just the vag that has the hole to skeleton from manufacturing. At least with Jinsan. Indeed much harder to clean though, and make sure you vent it well when drying. This is where an aquarium pump is supereffective!

by **swann** » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:52 pm

Hmm. This problem is with built-in vag type right? Just got my insert doll recently and have been thinking of trying the "back door", but haven't due to possible cleaning issues.

by **Nord** » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:36 pm

Female condoms are indeed the savior for these poor dolls. I've been using it for mine for over a year now as well and it's working great. No need for any lubrication on the outside of it, so there is no cleaning necessary on the doll itself after sexytime. Just pull out the femdom and wash it off in a minute, let it dry and re-use as long as it seems to hold up. Sure it's not the same feeling as without, but it's good enough for whenever you don't want to spend much time on cleaning or worry about any loose vag-ball.

As for the actual vag-ball issue, I have stuffed the bottom of the cavity with an even bigger ball which should make it a lot more secure. We rarely play without the condom nowadays though, because we've become lazy like that, lol.

Inserts come with other disadvantages, especially when it comes to possible damage on the entry from putting it in place and pulling it out all the time, which is very hard to repair on TPE. So I'm very torn between what alternative to choose next time.

It's ridiculous how this can still be an issue, and for so many brands? I thought it was mainly a flaw with Jinsan.

by **amytyl** » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:55 pm

Those are the uterus style inserts (I have 8 of them, the cervix is my favorite part), how does turning them inside out damage them?

by **ZZZZ** » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:31 pm

Dollstudio wrote:@ZZZZ: Besides that a lot of peope seem not to like femidoms, you still need lube; lube + TPE doll means water-based, and dampness is an environment mould likes. Though, with condoms and femidoms you might be able to mitigate the probability of a rusting skeleton.

You don't need water-based lube on the outside of female condoms:

Female condoms are made of a different material than male condoms, and seem resistant to Vaseline.
The female condom should not move once inserted.

You can use water-based lube on the inside of the female condom and it will never contact the doll.

It's important to distinguish between male and female condoms because they're different both chemically and operationally.

by **Dollstudio** » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:22 pm

@amytyl: The shown inserts are regular types, not the "uterus" style ones. The issue with uterus style inserts is that you can not turn them inside out without damaging them.

@ZZZZ: Besides that a lot of peope seem not to like femidoms, you still need lube; lube + TPE doll means water-based, and dampness is an environment mould likes. Though, with condoms and femidoms you might be able to mitigate the probability of a rusting skeleton.

However, I'd guesstimate that 80% of the customers buying a doll with built-in vagina (for higher realism and more intense stimulation) will just refuse to use a condom or femidom.

Sandro