Please read before posting: Regarding 100cm and 132cm dolls

Post by **netwit** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:57 pm

Um, how so? What is there to ponder?

Uh...lots. Don't you think this has come up before?
I'm not at liberty to discuss staff conversations in public, as I'm sure you know, as a former Admin.
But I will say, that because of the desires of members like Lady P. and others, additional
non sexual content has been discussed. Where and how has always been problematic, but trashing
the entire forum as you suggest is not necessarily the only way.
Obviously, it hasn't gone anywhere beyond those conversations, but the forum
is always interested in increasing it's membership without compromising what it is.
is always interested in increasing it's membership without compromising what it is.

Edited by Netwit; 20130105 07:53:00 EST; Reason: removed reference to another member's post to avoid misinterpretation.

When you search for "doll forum" what site tops the list? That's right, TDF!

On a worse note, when you google "sexually capable 132 cm" doll what site tops the list? That's right, TDF!
Now we'll get two hits.

skybird100000 · Post by **skybird100000** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:45 am

This forum is called THE DOLL FORUM
next line is:

The world's definitive resource on love dolls and erotic adult dolls since 2001.

You need be 18 years old to subsribe/enter. So that gives the false illusion this is an adult only forum where you can post everything and where you expect people to be/act adult. WRONG. We also think liberty is more important then so called high moral, even on this forum. WRONG. Lets face it me an adult man playing with dolls so I was sure not expecting the average person on this forum I meet everyday in the real world.

For a while now I consider this forum soft erotic and promotor of love dolls (not all dolls but alot) with some liberty for other dolltopics. I call it soft erotic as you dont find porn here something I always found strange. Not that I will ever show you myself bumping a doll

I looked at movies on da net with dolls and humans but they are kinda boring but have good 'educational' value.

Its a shame others tell you what you can look at and what not like in the dark middleages and some (most) 3rd world countries today.
And we call ourselves the free west and tell others freedom of speech is so important.

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein

Some nice quotes on censorship here: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywo ... rship.html

IanEvans · Post by **IanEvans** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:31 am

Yeah, fuck it, let's just allow everything. Pics of underage-looking dolls...hell, even nude ones. Let the rest of the world think we're pedos. Fuck 'em, we know we're not, so that's all that matters, right? Hell, why not allow uncensored pics of human genitalia as well? So what if the authorities come knocking asking for proof of the model's age, when we have no idea who is even in the pic, and the site gets shut down as a result? We'll just restart the forum with a new address on a new server. And fuck the rules against posting derogatory statements about other members...far better to let every disagreement run rampant until this forum is nothing but one big flame war, right? Because to not do so would be censorship, and bullshit idealism is much more important than practical concerns. Right?

I once frequented a guitar forum where members would often complain about the autocensor, sometimes even calling for a vote to have it disabled. The administrators responded by explaining that the forum was not a democracy, but a benevolent dictatorship, and anyone who didn't like it was free to leave. So if you think TDF is a bunch of fascist meanies because they don't allow certain types of dolls for sound reasons, well, no one's forcing you to stay here.

louislaine31 · Post by **louislaine31** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:40 am

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I would like to say that I understand TDF decision / TDF has to fix some limits : it is normal / 132cm look too young

I tried just to explain that things was not so easy :

. Art
. Nude is not erotic
. Difficult to give an age in an art's picture
. Dolls with no sex function
. TDF for all the dolls / Or only for Love Dolls ?
. Dolls are not human being ..

And so on ...

EDIT : On french forum we accept 132cm but only dressed and we do not accept 100cm

Post by **Doll Sweet - EXdoll** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:33 am

Thanks for the understanding, all

I am very appreciate for the reviews about 132cm doll. it was a lot helps, make people know more about our products.

but, I don't want to make any trouble here. by the TDF rules, the 100 and 132cm doll's pictures not avaliable for TDF. so, please no pictures of this dolls.

Thanks again, for all of you.

blou2blou2 · Post by **blou2blou2** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:05 am

I agree 110% with the TDF decision, The TDF team know perfectly what they do and I have trust in them, i thank them for everything they do for us.
We have to be blind to not see that these dolls were clearly underage.
My opinion is that we have to be careful with the high realism silicone dolls, they really look like real humans, and a high realist doll that is a child on a sex love doll adult forum is not really appropriate. For me, It's already a good thing that people can still post pictures of the heads of these dolls here. As a fan of love dolls and beautiful women i don't have any interest to look at a minor doll here and feel unconfortable with it, and i'm not shocked by the candy dolls, or inflattable or elf dolls, etc ( for example) because they are not realist.

CharlieWone · Post by **CharlieWone** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:29 am

This topic did not start out as a general discussion of liberty and censorship
but was focused on a specific manufacturer and two of their dolls.
If we want to move this to another forum for further discussion, then let's move it,
but if it's going to be in the DS section, let's resolve that issue here.
Why don't the members who would like to post pictures of these dolls simply
send them to DS, who can post them on their website? DS appears to be an
active participant around here, and fairly quick to respond and contribute to discussions about their dolls ( see their posts above) so how about they create a subforum on their website for owners pics and each owner can uplaod and then link to the DS website in their post? Is that breaking any rules? Don't know, but would it allow doll owners a place to display their art while separating TDF from the image? Seems like it would.
TDF currently links to their website now, so that would not change, just the location of the member's photographs.
Bob's your uncle.

Papa Bear · Post by **Papa Bear** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:33 am

skybird100000 wrote: And we call ourselves the free west and tell others freedom of speech is so important.

This is the free west and freedom of speech is important. However there is a time and place for things. Private clubs, institutions and gatherings should also be free to choose which ideas they support and those they don't. Free people should and do have the freedom to choose whether or not they wish to participate. Should people be free to drag race? Of course. Should they be free to drag race on school yard play grounds? Of course not. Time and place. The fact is that underage sexual depictions are illegal in most, if not all, of the free west and any group seen as participating in that does so at it's own peril.

louislaine31 · Post by **louislaine31** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:03 am

CharlieWone wrote:This topic did not start out as a general discussion of liberty and censorship
but was focused on a specific manufacturer and two of their dolls.
If we want to move this to another forum for further discussion, then let's move it,
but if it's going to be in the DS section, let's resolve that issue here.
Why don't the members who would like to post pictures of these dolls simply
send them to DS, who can post them on their website? DS appears to be an
active participant around here, and fairly quick to respond and contribute to discussions about their dolls ( see their posts above) so how about they create a subforum on their website for owners pics and each owner can uplaod and then link to the DS website in their post? Is that breaking any rules? Don't know, but would it allow doll owners a place to display their art while separating TDF from the image? Seems like it would.
TDF currently links to their website now, so that would not change, just the location of the member's photographs.
Bob's your uncle.

Very good idea

But I think that DSDOLL still have a forum on his japanese website but impossible for me to go inside : it does not work and it's in japanese /// Maybe the same forum in english could be fine

mexdl · Post by **mexdl** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:39 pm

Very interesting points of view here.

like I said "every head is a world" and that is the great thing about humans. I believe that the internal admin debate is not easy in the matter of run this forum (ethical, moral etc) , every day new member enter with a new idea, new manufacturers present new dolls, its not easy to catalogue pictures.

I appreciate TDF, they let me put some pictures in the beginning, in that days admin ask to me about my point of view of the age of the doll, they are interested in investigate and to know more about the dolls before making a decision , so, my feelings are not of censorship, just a little disappointed of how things worked out, I was aware of the thin line between art and crucifixion due the nature of this doll, as I said before, this day will come eventually. I appreciate NMN his words about me, the chat friends know my interest in picture and digital retouch are far beyond all the creepy negative things people could think of a ground-up married man who happens to own now a 132cm doll and likes to photograph her.

also cannot express all my thanks and gratitude to the members and doll makers, who saw in my pictures something interesting.

lol, this post will end like a goodbye letter, no, of course not, its just a silicone doll model who cannot post here, no big deal, right now I take the great opportunity to own a anatomical doll head, in some day I will receive a beautiful Elena head, then in the future, I will get the body 4 or a less heavy AD body (hope so)

at the same time, I am in saving mode to get Estrella 2.0 (a ruby13 presley with the great new plus everybody knows) this doll was my first.

I notice in my album the pictures left was the portraits ones. on the other hand, DS-dolls ask not to put pictures of 132 and 100cm, .... so, the 132cm owners will allow to post portraits? or no pictures al all?

Don, Louislaine, skybird, Everhard alydolly thanks for your kind comments.

Mexdl

louislaine31 · Post by **louislaine31** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:11 pm

Hi all,Hi Mexdollover ...

Just a thought to Mexdollover who is waiting for the new face for 132cm :

: fei_01.jpg (12.78 KiB) Viewed 3872 times

..> Underage ? It's not so simple

/// Imagine that face in art picture : not so simple

Thanks

mexdl · Post by **mexdl** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:35 pm

louislaine31 wrote:Hi all,Hi Mexdollover ...

Just a "thinking" to Mexdollover who is waiting for the new face for 132cm :

fei_01.jpg

..> Underage ? It's not so simple /// Imagine that face in art picture : not so simple

Thanks

your right Louislaine

, you and many doll owners know how radical changes could do a mix of wig, makeup and light , I like to think of a silicone head face as a canvas to work with.

yes, I hope to get this FEI head in 2 or 3 weeks from today , i love her enigmatic eyes.... two new faces, a new pretext to work on portrait pictures.

louislaine31 · Post by **louislaine31** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:47 pm

Yes she's so mature

!

I understand TDF managment because on owners' pictures DSDOLL's 132 cm look very young ... but on your pictures : less

...

I think that DSDOLL have understood that problem that the reason why they propose now a "mature " head

for the 132cm body ...

I'm photographer ( professionnal ) but I have a "little" business

I'm french,this is not the same laws in France but I think that nudity of young look doll is not possible and it's better ... I think too that 100cm is not possible ... But I understand TDF that with 132cm doll's owner pictures it can be a problem because this forum is about sex dolls ...

For your pictures for me : no problem In France no problem too

It's not so easy for TDF ... And I understand their embarassment ...

Louis

AlyDolly · Post by **AlyDolly** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:14 pm

NotMyName wrote:[If you you enjoy having dolls that resemble children or adolescents, miniature or life-sized, for whatever reason, that's your business. But they don't belong here on TDF. Period.

I suppose that's not an entirely true statement.
A person of 18 or 19 years of age also qualifies as an adolescent.
If a doll was made to represent and look like an 18yr old the way that some dolls like Candy 18 and even some Realdolls do I'm sure they would be welcome on TDF .

lovelife · Post by **lovelife** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:45 am

Dear TDF staff, i do respect the decision.
But what about the first teddy babes, they are like 130 cm max and can be dressed up like a child.
So then you must prohibit them too.
Also almost the complete Oriënt industry line.
And a lot more dolls since the are small.
If i would be a lilliputian a realdoll would be 4 times bigger than me.
So it now is discrimination for small people.
And still better a pedo with a doll then a real child right.
I think the michigan guy is a example to all pedo's. just use a doll for your sick mind.