Hi, I've just joined and have a few questions regarding building a solid silicone torso.
Before that, my background is in silicone formulation (yes, I make my own formulation) and complex mold making/casting. I go through about 50-100 gallons of pure silicone a week for my business.
Initially, I was going to buy a doll (saw it on Ebay - thats how I found this forum) but I didn't think it would be as good as what I am thinking. To explain, I've tried fleshlight/cyberskin product and although it was good, I didn't think it was good enough and left me wanting bit more.
With that, I made my own portable version. Its actually much larger than either of those product and so much better (for me). Now I want something bit bigger (especially with boob) - so I want to make my own torso and maybe full doll later. By the way I also do life casting - including private parts.
Questions are,
1) Do torso also have a skeletal system? I assume that full dolls do for posing purposes, but I don't know about the torso.
2) Should I go for built in pus*y or an insert. I'm going to use one of my regular model to lifecast that part for either version.
3) how heavy should I go for? Even with a full silicone, I could make them fairly light as I use fillers for the inside material (still silicone, but about 1/4 weight).
As for some questions on the board with model making, here's what I typically do (I do mostly plastic, but replacing that with silicone is not that hard - just have to make sure it doesn't stick to the mold),
1) Either life cast or use ready made originals (both human and mechanical). This is to get an approximation of the part I want. Some don't do this, but I do as there are lots of imperfection that I would like to fix.
2) Once cured, I pour plastic polymer(s) for a solid model.
3) next part is most time consuming - sculpting. I typically use brushable plastic or clay to make the final version. Theres lots of addition and sanding involved. The use of dremel is quite heavy for this process.
4) Once model is finished, I recast the model. This part is also important for multi-poured models. You have to position everything in right place or final product won't look or feel good. There are several tools that I use - usually borrowed from the injection molding industry.
5) final casting - this includes mixing the right color, artistic painting (before casting - right into the mold so it doesn't rub off) and casting.
Typically this is how professional shops do their prototyping or artistic casting.
Hope that helps and thanks in advance for any advice.
Question regarding torso building
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I have always wanted a torso.
Due to heart surgery and back problems, I need something as light and realistic as possible. I had 1 Tera Patrick P/A, made of UR3. It ripped from lack of inner support after a warmup in the sink. My fault.
Inner skeleton, YES! lightweight YES, I would prefer under 40 lbs.
The real issue is --- how many bangs do you get for your buck, the shore of the silicone has to be softenough to be fun, but strong enough to not require massive repair or constant replacement.
A torso that accepts an insert will be a good choice. The insert can be quickly warmed, and easily replaced.
And no leg stumps please!!!
Due to heart surgery and back problems, I need something as light and realistic as possible. I had 1 Tera Patrick P/A, made of UR3. It ripped from lack of inner support after a warmup in the sink. My fault.
Inner skeleton, YES! lightweight YES, I would prefer under 40 lbs.
The real issue is --- how many bangs do you get for your buck, the shore of the silicone has to be softenough to be fun, but strong enough to not require massive repair or constant replacement.
A torso that accepts an insert will be a good choice. The insert can be quickly warmed, and easily replaced.
And no leg stumps please!!!
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Hi Monkey, welcome to TDF. 
Its always good to have more folks around who know about silicone and moldmaking etc., to help dispel some of the more common misconceptions that get thrown around a lot. I use silicone (and other elastomers) frequently in my work too, but mainly just as a consumer. Never tried to formulate my own and don't know a whole lot about the chemistry and science behind it, so I could probably learn a lot from you.
Anyway, here's my thoughts on your questions:
1) I've never owned a torso doll myself, I personally find the quadruple-amputee look to be a bit of a turn-off.
But from what I've seen of the various types most commonly discussed here, I don't think they normally include skeletons. The one exception that I'm aware of is the cassidoll mini-torso (www.cassidoll.com), which does have a realistic jointed skeleton and also connectors for attaching optional limbs and head. Its a very interesting project still in the process of being launched, that is probably worth keeping an eye on. Its also the only doll I'm aware of that is actually silicone all the way through (or at least the early version was.) Other dolls that are commonly referred to as "solid silicone" like RD and many japanese models, actually have a core of urethane foam.
2) You'll find fans of both types here, the main complaint about inserts seems to be they typically look much less realistic, and sometimes there are issues with getting them to stay in place. But inserts can be an advantage for ease of cleaning and relieve a lot of worry about repairs since it can easily be replaced when it eventually wears out or tears. The new Boytoy dolls seem to have the best insert system I've seen, at least judging by the pictures and the one customer review we've got on them so far. They have a much more realistic look than the japanese models, seem to be easy to remove and install and don't pop out on their own or get stuffed too far into the cavity.
3) lighter is generally going to be better, but I think you'd also want it to be heavy enough to stay in place while someone is pounding away at it, and feel realistically solid. Maybe like 30 lbs? As Random pointed out, the leg stumps can be an issue too, particularly if they are very short. Just try to make sure they're not going to be crushing peoples balls like some apparently do.
Just my .02, hope its helpful.
Its always good to have more folks around who know about silicone and moldmaking etc., to help dispel some of the more common misconceptions that get thrown around a lot. I use silicone (and other elastomers) frequently in my work too, but mainly just as a consumer. Never tried to formulate my own and don't know a whole lot about the chemistry and science behind it, so I could probably learn a lot from you. Anyway, here's my thoughts on your questions:
1) I've never owned a torso doll myself, I personally find the quadruple-amputee look to be a bit of a turn-off.
But from what I've seen of the various types most commonly discussed here, I don't think they normally include skeletons. The one exception that I'm aware of is the cassidoll mini-torso (www.cassidoll.com), which does have a realistic jointed skeleton and also connectors for attaching optional limbs and head. Its a very interesting project still in the process of being launched, that is probably worth keeping an eye on. Its also the only doll I'm aware of that is actually silicone all the way through (or at least the early version was.) Other dolls that are commonly referred to as "solid silicone" like RD and many japanese models, actually have a core of urethane foam. 2) You'll find fans of both types here, the main complaint about inserts seems to be they typically look much less realistic, and sometimes there are issues with getting them to stay in place. But inserts can be an advantage for ease of cleaning and relieve a lot of worry about repairs since it can easily be replaced when it eventually wears out or tears. The new Boytoy dolls seem to have the best insert system I've seen, at least judging by the pictures and the one customer review we've got on them so far. They have a much more realistic look than the japanese models, seem to be easy to remove and install and don't pop out on their own or get stuffed too far into the cavity.
3) lighter is generally going to be better, but I think you'd also want it to be heavy enough to stay in place while someone is pounding away at it, and feel realistically solid. Maybe like 30 lbs? As Random pointed out, the leg stumps can be an issue too, particularly if they are very short. Just try to make sure they're not going to be crushing peoples balls like some apparently do.
Just my .02, hope its helpful.
There are a few members here that have complete sculpts that need what you do.
Dig through the "inventors forum" and try PM'ing them.
There was one a while back that had a clay model that was sculpted by a big time fx artist and nothing ever happened. It was a great sculpture too.
Perhaps they'll see your post if they drop by.
I don't think there are many mfgs. that have done everything on their own except maybe itsme.
Where's Pamperjet when you need him? (let's see how many remember who this is)
Dig through the "inventors forum" and try PM'ing them.
There was one a while back that had a clay model that was sculpted by a big time fx artist and nothing ever happened. It was a great sculpture too.
Perhaps they'll see your post if they drop by.
I don't think there are many mfgs. that have done everything on their own except maybe itsme.
Where's Pamperjet when you need him? (let's see how many remember who this is)
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welcome to the forum,
It seams as though you have quite the background in this area and may develop something new and fun
I do not own a torso. I have a teddy babe, and 2 lollypops from itsme.
Like you I have tried other toys and find them lacking or atleast not as versatile as I would like
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the bigg torso modeles out there are torsodoll.com by goldman( probably the best there is at the moment weight 75 lbs full skeleton and beautifull.
1st-pc.com has some nice looking torsos. however no skeleton and they have annoying stumps and skinny arms
the new cassidoll looks very promising but she appears quite small
torsos are great for people who do not have the space for a whole doll
my thoughts on the issue
35-60lbs
partial skeleton arms and leggs need to move and head also would be nice
arms ending at elbow and leggs ending at knee would get rid of the stumppy affect and you could add gloves and stockings to fill her out
I like the idea of useing a life cast.
with all the bigg boys out there makeing parts of pornstars it would be nice to have at least a full torso of one.
have some other questions but will save them for another time
good luck, and have fun
It seams as though you have quite the background in this area and may develop something new and fun
I do not own a torso. I have a teddy babe, and 2 lollypops from itsme.
Like you I have tried other toys and find them lacking or atleast not as versatile as I would like
.the bigg torso modeles out there are torsodoll.com by goldman( probably the best there is at the moment weight 75 lbs full skeleton and beautifull.
1st-pc.com has some nice looking torsos. however no skeleton and they have annoying stumps and skinny arms
the new cassidoll looks very promising but she appears quite small
torsos are great for people who do not have the space for a whole doll
my thoughts on the issue
35-60lbs
partial skeleton arms and leggs need to move and head also would be nice
arms ending at elbow and leggs ending at knee would get rid of the stumppy affect and you could add gloves and stockings to fill her out
I like the idea of useing a life cast.
with all the bigg boys out there makeing parts of pornstars it would be nice to have at least a full torso of one.
have some other questions but will save them for another time
good luck, and have fun
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Oh, Goldman's torso's DO have a skeleton? I stand corrected, didn't know that. I should have figured as much they seem to be the ones people like best.dollylamma wrote:
the bigg torso modeles out there are torsodoll.com by goldman( probably the best there is at the moment weight 75 lbs full skeleton and beautifull.
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Thanks for the info. Not having a skeletal structure will make it easier to make.
By the way, I'm making this for myself, not to sell. I'm already way too busy with my regular business.
As for durometer and durability - this can be solved fairly easily if you know how to do a multi-skinning. The layering will allow you to use several different layer of silicone with different durometer. This is a very tricky process...
There seem to be a some misnomer in that silicone will stick to silicone. This is not true. You need to have a added agent for it to stick. Once silicone is cured, its very difficult to have a complete joining (I see that some people are having problem with the seam).
Because of this fact, you can't just do a one layer, then cure, then add another layer, etc. It will not stick (some will, but not enough).
As mentioned, I made my own cyberskin/fleshlight clone and on that model, I've must used about 6 different formulation. The hardness range from fairly hard (for outside skin - its quite large) to very gel like. On its design, I had to have a silicone structure (ribbed) to give it more realistic feel, then added more softer silicone in between those ribs. I've repeated this few times until I felt right. When it was done, I threw the cyberskin/fleshlight away (I don't remember the brand). You simply can't compare the two when its made to your liking.
One of my model said yes to lifecasting the private part. I will have to see if she has the right look. One thing I like is very large labias, so either I'll have to find someone or sculpt them. The other thing I like is very large behind (brazillian kind). That I will have to sculpt as no one has that kind of ass around here. I don't care too much about the boob size, but I'm thinking bit more than large handful. I also ordered a life like mannequin torso (really big boob). I'll probably use that as a base and incorporate the lifecasted part in between.
The way I'm envisioning this project is as follow,
1) internal light silicone or flexible foam (can be flexible as silicone). This will make thngs very light.
2) use the mannequin as a base, then add the private parts (model doesn't have the body I envisioned, so only the private part... by the way, she has amazing body, but not to my liking - to each his own).
3) multi-skin the private part, ass, and the boob.
4) most of my time will be spent on realistic reaction of the private part. I don't just want the hole to stretch to accomodate your jr. I want the private parts to have a realistic movement - meaning, it will have a creases on the a-hole, and the labia. The entry area should stretch out on out - pull and give in on the in movement. And the ass should jiggle when shaken moderately - like a real person (now you know what type of woman I like).
Hopefully I get the mannequin soon and private part casted. I'll let you know if I have more question.
By the way, I'm making this for myself, not to sell. I'm already way too busy with my regular business.
As for durometer and durability - this can be solved fairly easily if you know how to do a multi-skinning. The layering will allow you to use several different layer of silicone with different durometer. This is a very tricky process...
There seem to be a some misnomer in that silicone will stick to silicone. This is not true. You need to have a added agent for it to stick. Once silicone is cured, its very difficult to have a complete joining (I see that some people are having problem with the seam).
Because of this fact, you can't just do a one layer, then cure, then add another layer, etc. It will not stick (some will, but not enough).
As mentioned, I made my own cyberskin/fleshlight clone and on that model, I've must used about 6 different formulation. The hardness range from fairly hard (for outside skin - its quite large) to very gel like. On its design, I had to have a silicone structure (ribbed) to give it more realistic feel, then added more softer silicone in between those ribs. I've repeated this few times until I felt right. When it was done, I threw the cyberskin/fleshlight away (I don't remember the brand). You simply can't compare the two when its made to your liking.
One of my model said yes to lifecasting the private part. I will have to see if she has the right look. One thing I like is very large labias, so either I'll have to find someone or sculpt them. The other thing I like is very large behind (brazillian kind). That I will have to sculpt as no one has that kind of ass around here. I don't care too much about the boob size, but I'm thinking bit more than large handful. I also ordered a life like mannequin torso (really big boob). I'll probably use that as a base and incorporate the lifecasted part in between.
The way I'm envisioning this project is as follow,
1) internal light silicone or flexible foam (can be flexible as silicone). This will make thngs very light.
2) use the mannequin as a base, then add the private parts (model doesn't have the body I envisioned, so only the private part... by the way, she has amazing body, but not to my liking - to each his own).
3) multi-skin the private part, ass, and the boob.
4) most of my time will be spent on realistic reaction of the private part. I don't just want the hole to stretch to accomodate your jr. I want the private parts to have a realistic movement - meaning, it will have a creases on the a-hole, and the labia. The entry area should stretch out on out - pull and give in on the in movement. And the ass should jiggle when shaken moderately - like a real person (now you know what type of woman I like).
Hopefully I get the mannequin soon and private part casted. I'll let you know if I have more question.
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Full dolls are not my thing - though I agree with you that stump is bit creepy. I don't think I'm going to make that as part of this project.dollylamma wrote:welcome to the forum,
It seams as though you have quite the background in this area and may develop something new and fun
I do not own a torso. I have a teddy babe, and 2 lollypops from itsme.
Like you I have tried other toys and find them lacking or atleast not as versatile as I would like
the bigg torso modeles out there are torsodoll.com by goldman( probably the best there is at the moment weight 75 lbs full skeleton and beautifull.
1st-pc.com has some nice looking torsos. however no skeleton and they have annoying stumps and skinny arms
the new cassidoll looks very promising but she appears quite small
torsos are great for people who do not have the space for a whole doll
my thoughts on the issue
35-60lbs
partial skeleton arms and leggs need to move and head also would be nice
arms ending at elbow and leggs ending at knee would get rid of the stumppy affect and you could add gloves and stockings to fill her out
I like the idea of useing a life cast.
with all the bigg boys out there makeing parts of pornstars it would be nice to have at least a full torso of one.
have some other questions but will save them for another time
good luck, and have fun
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This sights are always worth looking at.
The guy who put them up is a great help to others as well.
http://www.makerealsextoys.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homemadelovedolls/
The guy who put them up is a great help to others as well.
http://www.makerealsextoys.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homemadelovedolls/
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hi its me
yes I have a group for people who make there own sex dolls, people that dont have alot of $ like me, we are always here to help and share ideas for doll making.
I still think itsme dolls are the best money for the price if you dont want to make your own doll so check him out.
I still think itsme dolls are the best money for the price if you dont want to make your own doll so check him out.
