anonymousdfuser wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:23 am
Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/
"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."
Abyss falling behind?
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lexico wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:52 amI don't doubt that this is a goal for Abyss. But I disagree with this myself. Give me a doll that gets all the way to absolute realism, if you can. I can handle it!anonymousdfuser wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:23 am Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/
"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."
This quote is from over 8 years ago. Let’s keep that in perspective, being almost a decade ago.
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Ugh. First draft read waaaay ruder than was intended. Let me try again:TJ_Foxx wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:38 amlexico wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:52 amI don't doubt that this is a goal for Abyss. But I disagree with this myself. Give me a doll that gets all the way to absolute realism, if you can. I can handle it!anonymousdfuser wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:23 am Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/
"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."
This quote is from over 8 years ago. Let’s keep that in perspective, being almost a decade ago.
The other dude mentioned that he remembered Matt saying something. You asked for proof and then got seemingly upset when he couldn't remember. Now they delivered it.
That was something from a long time ago and most likely no longer pertains. But it's still what you asked for.
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Re: Abyss falling behind?
I think this starts to get into the hazy realm of attractions and preferences, which is kind of endless...
Looking over pretty much every doll company represented here on TDF, we can see some people saying "oh, beautiful," and others saying "not for me."
Whether you find RealDolls totally appealing or not, all we're doing is expressing our opinions about that fuzzy line of "feminine" and "masculine" in a doll. In my case, I'm only commenting on the "trans male" thing out of fun and humor.
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Upset? No. Just doing my job as a moderator making sure that when people make claims they are accurate and supported. Rule 10.DocWen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:16 amUgh. First draft read waaaay ruder than was intended. Let me try again:TJ_Foxx wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:38 amlexico wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:52 amI don't doubt that this is a goal for Abyss. But I disagree with this myself. Give me a doll that gets all the way to absolute realism, if you can. I can handle it!anonymousdfuser wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:23 am Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/
"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."
This quote is from over 8 years ago. Let’s keep that in perspective, being almost a decade ago.
The other dude mentioned that he remembered Matt saying something. You asked for proof and then got seemingly upset when he couldn't remember. Now they delivered it.
That was something from a long time ago and most likely no longer pertains. But it's still what you asked for.
Is there a reason you chime in here & the contact thread about Abyss? I don’t recall you sharing any actual knowledge or experience with them. It appears you just like to dance on the borders of rules 3,4,5 & 10 .
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Yes, and it took me less than 5 minutes of Googling it. Doesn't matter when Matt said it. He still said it. All I did is provide the source you were asking for.TJ_Foxx wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:30 am So, you found something from over 8 years ago. Interesting how things change in almost a decade.
anonymousdfuser wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:23 am
Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/
"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."
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Honestly, to me it seems that you are being overly and unnecessarily sensitive about this. Nobody here is making "claims" about RD. Someone said that Matt had previously said that RD doesn't strive for absolute realism. You wanted proof of it. I remembered Matt saying it, spent less than 5 minutes Googling it, and provided the proof. Whether or not it is from 8 years ago is irrelevant. He said it, and that's what matters. Whether or not it's still true, who knows. But the relevant thing is that Matt said it.TJ_Foxx wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:38 amUpset? No. Just doing my job as a moderator making sure that when people make claims they are accurate and supported. Rule 10.DocWen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:16 amUgh. First draft read waaaay ruder than was intended. Let me try again:TJ_Foxx wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:38 amlexico wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:52 amI don't doubt that this is a goal for Abyss. But I disagree with this myself. Give me a doll that gets all the way to absolute realism, if you can. I can handle it!anonymousdfuser wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:23 am Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/
"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."
This quote is from over 8 years ago. Let’s keep that in perspective, being almost a decade ago.
The other dude mentioned that he remembered Matt saying something. You asked for proof and then got seemingly upset when he couldn't remember. Now they delivered it.
That was something from a long time ago and most likely no longer pertains. But it's still what you asked for.
Is there a reason you chime in here & the contact thread about Abyss? I don’t recall you sharing any actual knowledge or experience with them. It appears you just like to dance on the borders of rules 3,4,5 & 10 .
At least in my opinion, not much has changed regarding how "realistic" the dolls are. I've been following Abyss for a very long time, and I haven't seen any noticeable changes in those 8 years regarding small details in the dolls.
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To return to the topic started by the OP, does anyone know if there is a thread on TDF where a member shows his RealDollX doll in operation?
Out of curiosity, I would like to see how this works. I've already seen a video of another robotic face on TDF, but never a RealDoll. So if anyone has any info (or, even better, a link), I'm interested.
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Brick has shown his RDx’s multiple times in various threads4891d wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:23 pm
To return to the topic started by the OP, does anyone know if there is a thread on TDF where a member shows his RealDollX doll in operation?
Out of curiosity, I would like to see how this works. I've already seen a video of another robotic face on TDF, but never a RealDoll. So if anyone has any info (or, even better, a link), I'm interested.
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These answers should be free by the way. If I was comparison shopping with cars or homes, I wouldn't have to pay to access a third party website. I could ask the dealership or realtor directly, and get (relatively) honest answers.
Hanna: viewtopic.php?t=161099
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Sam: viewtopic.php?t=160188
Lapis: viewtopic.php?p=2251699#p2251699
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I just checked, but all the videos accessible through the links in the six threads I watched are marked as deleted (with the exception of an Abyss promotional video from 2018 on UTube). I'll look in other threads when I have time, hoping to get better results.TJ_Foxx wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:30 pmBrick has shown his RDx’s multiple times in various threads4891d wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:23 pm
To return to the topic started by the OP, does anyone know if there is a thread on TDF where a member shows his RealDollX doll in operation?
Out of curiosity, I would like to see how this works. I've already seen a video of another robotic face on TDF, but never a RealDoll. So if anyone has any info (or, even better, a link), I'm interested.
My wish would above all be to have feedback from simple users to know their experience and, if possible, to see some interactive videos to realize what these functionalities can bring to the links that one can establish with his doll.
On a related note, I'm following with interest threads from members who use AI providers to communicate in various ways with their dolls; However, these do not have robotic heads and cannot speak directly. I would be curious to see a robotic head in real operation (even through videos) to understand what the strengths or limitations of this functionality are.
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Yes, that about sums it up!Gaijin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:04 pm So, what I've gathered from all this is that Abyss has terrible customer feedback and communication. Their dolls can cost 2-5 times what other silicone dolls on the market do with similar features. However, if we as TDF members and potential future customers of Abyss' products ask if that price is justified, if those $10k dolls really are worth the money compared to other popular brands featured on these forums, we get shouted down for not already owning a RealDoll? We just want to know what the differences are between a RealDoll and a high-end Chinese doll.
These answers should be free by the way. If I was comparison shopping with cars or homes, I wouldn't have to pay to access a third party website. I could ask the dealership or realtor directly, and get (relatively) honest answers.
Abyss used to be the undisputed leader in this realm. In fact, they launched silicone dolls as a thing.
But right now, buying a RealDoll means you will be paying at least $5,000 more than even the most expensive other brands for a doll that takes at least a year to arrive, from a company that doesn't communicate with you. And to get more information about the dolls, it will cost you even more (and you might not get the information)!
With that being said, it's possible this is all just noise. Abyss apparently has enough orders that they don't care about all this anyway. That tells you they must be doing something (or many things) right!
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