Ballistic Gelatin

Dude Man · Post by **Dude Man** » Tue May 01, 2012 7:33 pm

Has anyone used this for the inside of a doll ?

Dude Man · Post by **Dude Man** » Tue May 01, 2012 7:43 pm

Looks just like a real ass when you slap it

Dude Man · Post by **Dude Man** » Tue May 01, 2012 8:12 pm

I guess you could make skin too,but it wouldn't last long.

http://www.fxwarehouse.info/mm5/merchan ... de=Gelatin

Dude Man · Post by **Dude Man** » Tue May 01, 2012 8:43 pm

Has anyone used Foam Latex for anything ?

MannequinFan · Post by **MannequinFan** » Tue May 01, 2012 8:59 pm

Dude Man wrote:Has anyone used Foam Latex for anything ?

I have read some about foam latex and it sounds like a very involved process involving adding 3 different agents (foaming, curing & gelling) whipping it in a blender and oven heating the molds.
http://www.makeup-fx.com/mirakeleng3.html

Sounds like a real pain in the ass.

Dude Man · Post by **Dude Man** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:03 pm

you can get 32oz of flesh colored gelatin for 54.00.
http://www.paintandpowderstore.com/prod ... 01&cat=245

MannequinFan · Post by **MannequinFan** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:12 pm

Dude Man wrote:Has anyone used this for the inside of a doll ?

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lmao!

siliconelover · Post by **siliconelover** » Wed May 02, 2012 1:08 am

Dude Man wrote:Has anyone used this for the inside of a doll ?

It would be way to Heavy and has no structure.

MannequinFan · Post by **MannequinFan** » Wed May 02, 2012 1:10 am

BJB Industries has a material called "FLABBERCAST" that sounds really interesting.
You can get a quart kit for $35, gallon kits for $60. Much cheaper than silicone.
http://www.burmanindustries.com/estore/home.php?cat=75

Product data PDF: http://www.burmanindustries.com/estore/ ... 43&type=SS

From the product data PDF:
FLABBERCAST
A CURATIVE POLYURETHANE GEL

PRODUCT DESCRIPTION:
FLABBERCAST is set up as a three component liquid material system. When added in increased amounts, the “C”
component takes the basic A/B mixture from the texture of an ordinary soft gumdrop to a jelly-like consistency.
One of the most unusual, yet, important features of this product is that regardless of the consistency, FLABBERCAST can bounce back to its original shape.
The maximum amount of “C” that can be added is 200% to a total A/B mixture.
This level of “C” produces a gel that has a sticky, pressure-sensitive adhesive type surface. This can be a desirable
feature as it can keep the gel in place when it is used to fill a bladder or bag.

They also have an elastomeric water base coating that you could use to skin the mold before pouring the Flabbercast.
http://www.burmanindustries.com/estore/home.php?cat=48

This stuff is more expensive but you wouldn't need much for a thin skin coat.
I wouldn't mind getting a quart of this to see how it would work to simply paint a skin on a urethane foam casting.

Product data PDF: http://www.burmanindustries.com/estore/ ... 00&type=SS

Here is a snippet from a yahoo group on casting where they used both products:

"So far the most flexible urethane I have found is a material called
Flabbercast from BJB Enterprises. It's easy to color since it mixes
white, use a tint from the BJB family like the Skin Flex paint, but
you do need to use a platinum silicone for your mold. In fact most
of the real soft urethane elastomers need to be cast in a platinum
mold. The other thing about the Flabbercast material is it will be
tacky after you cast it, and it is suppose to be. From what I've
seen about it, it was originally developed for bladder paks in fats
suits, for proper jiggle. So all you need then is a flexible
urethane spray like BJB SC115, I'm a real fan of the BJB stuff. You
spray the SC115 on your mold before you close it then pour the tinted
Flabbercast, use a pressure pot because any little bubbles are going
to cause this stuff to tear easier, and you will have the pieces that
are unbelievably flexible. All this stuff is available from Burman's
but check BJB's website for other distributors."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/casting/message/15658

Dude Man · Post by **Dude Man** » Wed May 02, 2012 1:24 am

MannequinFan wrote:BJB Industries has a material called "FLABBERCAST" that sounds really interesting.
You can get a quart kit for $35, gallon kits for $60. Much cheaper than silicone.
http://www.burmanindustries.com/estore/home.php?cat=75

Product data PDF: http://www.burmanindustries.com/estore/ ... 43&type=SS
FLABBERCAST
A CURATIVE POLYURETHANE GEL

PRODUCT DESCRIPTION:
FLABBERCAST is set up as a three component liquid material system. When added in increased amounts, the “C”
component takes the basic A/B mixture from the texture of an ordinary soft gumdrop to a jelly-like consistency.
One of the most unusual, yet, important features of this product is that regardless of the consistency, FLABBERCAST can bounce back to its original shape.
The maximum amount of “C” that can be added is 200% to a total A/B mixture.
This level of “C” produces a gel that has a sticky, pressure-sensitive adhesive type surface. This can be a desirable
feature as it can keep the gel in place when it is used to fill a bladder or bag.

They also have an elastomeric water base coating that you could use to skin the mold before pouring the Flabbercast.
http://www.burmanindustries.com/estore/home.php?cat=48

This stuff is more expensive but you wouldn't need much for a thin skin coat.
I wouldn't mind getting a quart of this to see how it would work to simply paint a skin on a urethane foam casting.

Product data PDF: http://www.burmanindustries.com/estore/ ... 00&type=SS

Here is a snippet from a yahoo group on casting where they used both products:

"So far the most flexible urethane I have found is a material called
Flabbercast from BJB Enterprises. It's easy to color since it mixes
white, use a tint from the BJB family like the Skin Flex paint, but
you do need to use a platinum silicone for your mold. In fact most
of the real soft urethane elastomers need to be cast in a platinum
mold. The other thing about the Flabbercast material is it will be
tacky after you cast it, and it is suppose to be. From what I've
seen about it, it was originally developed for bladder paks in fats
suits, for proper jiggle. So all you need then is a flexible
urethane spray like BJB SC115, I'm a real fan of the BJB stuff. You
spray the SC115 on your mold before you close it then pour the tinted
Flabbercast, use a pressure pot because any little bubbles are going
to cause this stuff to tear easier, and you will have the pieces that
are unbelievably flexible. All this stuff is available from Burman's
but check BJB's website for other distributors."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/casting/message/15658

Thanks !

MannequinFan · Post by **MannequinFan** » Thu May 03, 2012 2:13 pm

I emailed Burman Industries with a few questions about the SC-115 product and unfortunately it's not available anymore.

I was really wanting to try some of that stuff on some foam.

Dude Man · Post by **Dude Man** » Thu May 03, 2012 2:31 pm

MannequinFan wrote:I emailed Burman Industries with a few questions about the SC-115 product and unfortunately it's not available anymore.
I was really wanting to try some of that stuff on some foam.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Cool Site ,shows all the materials used for sex toys
http://www.edenfantasys.com/sex-guides- ... r-silicone

MannequinFan · Post by **MannequinFan** » Fri May 04, 2012 1:47 am

I emailed BJB Enterprises about the no longer available SC-115 coating and they said that it has been replaced with the new and improved coating material SC-92.

http://www.bjbenterprises.com/pdf/SC-92.pdf

From the product data PDF:

SC-92
SINGLE COMPONENT ALIPHATIC
WATER-BASED COATING

DESCRIPTION:
SC-92 is a water-based, aliphatic polyurethane coating designed to provide a final finish or paintable surface for various flexible polyurethane foams, elastomers, and latex products. It can also be used as an in-mold coating for casting or brushing polyurethane products behind.

Provides a uniform semi-gloss finish
Clear base is easy to tint or pigment
Excellent color retention
High elongation and tear resistance

PHYSICAL PROPERTIES:
Specific Gravity..............................................1.03 (1.08)
Color/Appearance............................................White liquid / Dries clear
Tensile Strength, (psi) ASTM D412......................4,000 (550)
100% Modulus, (psi).........................................480 (49)
200% Modulus, (psi).........................................680
300% Modulus, (psi).........................................890
Elongation, (%) ASTM D412...............................750 (620)
Solids, (%).......................................................45
VOC Content, (g/l)............................................10
Viscosity, (cps) @ 77°F (25°C)...........................125 (20,000)

For comparison purposes, I added the data for Dragon Skin 20 silicone bold in parentheses.

Here's a video showing it being used to skin a mold before casting foam...

Dude Man · Post by **Dude Man** » Fri May 04, 2012 10:05 am

Nice ! Are you wanting to use it to fill a silicone doll?

MannequinFan · Post by **MannequinFan** » Fri May 04, 2012 5:53 pm

Dude Man wrote:Nice ! Are you wanting to use it to fill a silicone doll?

Personally, if I was going to make a doll for the first time, I would stay away from silicone all together if possible.
Silicone is simply too expensive, too tricky to work with and too prone to damage if the doll isn't designed properly. I would probably use platinum silicone for the mold though to avoid having to use a lot of mold release.

The SC-92 product is a coating and would be used mainly as a skin. The Flabbercast would be used more for the flesh under the skin, but you would still need a skeleton and a foam core as the Flabbercast would be too soft and heavy for the whole doll. Still too complicated.

I would probably shoot for making a simpler more durable doll more along the lines of the Candy Eighteen type. I would like to see how the SC-92 would work as a skin over a soft 3 lb density urethane foam as opposed to silicone. The SC-92 would bond to the foam whereas silicone does not. I have used the Smooth-On urethane foam and it actually molds quite nicely. All it would need is a good skin coating. The ultimate would be to skin the mold like in the video, but it could also be sponge applied on the foam in thin coats afterwards just like paint.

This is a test cast I made in a plastic cup with Smooth-On FlexFoam-It V. It picks up the smallest details of the cup...

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Plasti-Dip actually works pretty well to coat foam. It stretches with the foam and has a nice soft matte finish which looks nice and skin like. The fumes are horrendous however.
I used Plasti-Dip to seal the foam for Sammie's mod.
Here is a little video showing the Plasti-Dip on the foam test casting...

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The Plast-Dip shrink dries to form a pretty good mechanical bond, but if you work hard enough at it, you can peel it off the foam. After peeling it off, it seems to leave a permanent stain on the foam.
From the product data, it looks like the SC-92 is much stronger and stretchier than the Plasti-Dip and being water based, would be much less nasty to work with. It's really new so it's not on the Burman Industries site yet, but you can order it directly from BJB.

The Flabbercast stuff is interesting, but I'm not sure how long it would last. In a few years time the stuff may turn into liquid goo, not sure. I might email BJB and ask them that question. I could see casting this stuff into the boobs before closing the mold and casting the foam to get jiggly boobs as long as it would stay put in the mold while turning it.