Silicone for Insert and TPE for Permanent?

[returner]

After reading few posts about torn vagina on insert version of Tayu dolls, does that mean it is best to get TPE if I want to get inserts ad Silicone for permanent?
I hate to spend a lot of money for something that will have issues in few years.

[Android18]

My Tayu with an insert has started to tear. But my built in Tayu ia fine. Just need to be gentle with insert inserts.

[lightfootted]

Tayu doesn’t manufacture in TPE.

[returner]

My Tayu with an insert has started to tear. But my built in Tayu ia fine. Just need to be gentle with insert inserts.

How to be "gentle" with inserts?

[Synthian]

My Tayu with an insert has started to tear. But my built in Tayu ia fine. Just need to be gentle with insert inserts.

How to be "gentle" with inserts?

Hi returner don't stretch her opening too far (silicone is not stretchable like TPE), use water-based lube, and, most important, insert and lift your finger to let air in for extraction and air out for insertion while you pull out or push in the insert.

[returner]

My Tayu with an insert has started to tear. But my built in Tayu ia fine. Just need to be gentle with insert inserts.

How to be "gentle" with inserts?

Hi returner don't stretch her opening too far (silicone is not stretchable like TPE), use water-based lube, and, most important, insert and lift your finger to let air in for extraction and air out for insertion while you pull out or push in the insert.

Do you mean pinch the insert when inserting or extracting the insert?

Two of the Tayu's selling point is lightweight and insert. Since insert models are more prone to tears, it makes me wonder if the expensive price justifies a purchase.

[Synthian]

Hi returner don't stretch her opening too far (silicone is not stretchable like TPE), use water-based lube, and, most important, insert and lift your finger to let air in for extraction and air out for insertion while you pull out or push in the insert.

Do you mean pinch the insert when inserting or extracting the insert?

Two of the Tayu's selling point is lightweight and insert. Since insert models are more prone to tears, it makes me wonder if the expensive price justifies a purchase.

Yes, I pinch the insert. This is an Irontech body, Tayu's may be different, however, the technique is likely very similar. I wouldn't worry too much about tearing, her opening is torn on both sides and the food grade glue my vendor provided worked very well as you can see (I thought silicone was like TPE and stretched it way too far on the first try). She still needs glue periodically with use, but only in the same previously torn areas.

I leave in a paper towel or drying rod and pinch the insert, but it is slippery with the lube so I try to lube only the end of the insert then squeeze the insert with my left hand while the right holds the opening with one finger by the clit to let air flow. I made a clickable gif for you that might help... The sequence:
01 paper towel inside.jpg
02 water lube small amount.jpg
03 spread lube.jpg
04 lube right fingers.jpg
05 lube opening.jpg
06 finger air gap.jpg
07 spread opening gently and squeeze insert.jpg
09 finger air gap and insert gently.jpg
10 air gap final.jpg
11 keep insert in and pull out paper towel.jpg
12 done done.jpg

CLICK TO VIEW

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[returner]

Hi returner don't stretch her opening too far (silicone is not stretchable like TPE), use water-based lube, and, most important, insert and lift your finger to let air in for extraction and air out for insertion while you pull out or push in the insert.

Do you mean pinch the insert when inserting or extracting the insert?

Two of the Tayu's selling point is lightweight and insert. Since insert models are more prone to tears, it makes me wonder if the expensive price justifies a purchase.

Yes, I pinch the insert. This is an Irontech body, Tayu's may be different, however, the technique is likely very similar. I wouldn't worry too much about tearing, her opening is torn on both sides and the food grade glue my vendor provided worked very well as you can see (I thought silicone was like TPE and stretched it way too far on the first try). She still needs glue periodically with use, but only in the same previously torn areas.

I leave in a paper towel or drying rod and pinch the insert, but it is slippery with the lube so I try to lube only the end of the insert then squeeze the insert with my left hand while the right holds the opening with one finger by the clit to let air flow. I made a clickable gif for you that might help... The sequence:
01 paper towel inside.jpg
02 water lube small amount.jpg
03 spread lube.jpg
04 lube right fingers.jpg
05 lube opening.jpg
06 finger air gap.jpg
07 spread opening gently and squeeze insert.jpg
09 finger air gap and insert gently.jpg
10 air gap final.jpg
11 keep insert in and pull out paper towel.jpg
12 done done.jpg

CLICK TO VIEW
silicone insert.gif

Thanks for the pictures. I am aware that you can't just install the insert without something lubricating the insert to avoid friction.
I think friction is what cause the tears. However, I prefer to use baby powder instead. I am not sure if using lubricant can cause molds?
Also, Can you explain more about "her opening is torn on both sides"?

[Synthian]

Thanks for the pictures. I am aware that you can't just install the insert without something lubricating the insert to avoid friction.
I think friction is what cause the tears. However, I prefer to use baby powder instead. I am not sure if using lubricant can cause molds?
Also, Can you explain more about "her opening is torn on both sides"?

You are correct that friction is the source of the problem; it makes me try to spread the opening larger which tears the opening. I never thought of using baby powder as it seemed to give me shortness of breath after using it on her for years and dirt accumulation on her so I stopped using it altogether.

When I first stretched her opening this photo happened. The other side was not as noticeable but had an inside laceration. This is because the area around and behind the opening is slender so the insert can fit up against it. As you saw from the previous gif, the glue worked well and is food grade.

On the mold subject, I just got an endoscope and here is a gif I just made for you and TDF viewers. The gif is after 8 months of using waterbased lube nearly every day and reinserting after cleaning. Later, like, two months ago I changed to letting it dry until the next use, for about 20 hours. Those dark spots near the airtag on closeup seem to manufacturing defects. Way back there is not an issue for my tolerance considering the insert is between me and everything back there.

I also did the backside of the opening which is the area of concern and everything looks very clean except a small slit-like dark spot on closer view of the still it appears to be a laceration shadow.

Do Not Stretch Silicone like TPE

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Endoscope Inward Click to View

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Backside of Opening Click to View

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[returner]

Thanks for the pictures. I am aware that you can't just install the insert without something lubricating the insert to avoid friction.
I think friction is what cause the tears. However, I prefer to use baby powder instead. I am not sure if using lubricant can cause molds?
Also, Can you explain more about "her opening is torn on both sides"?

You are correct that friction is the source of the problem; it makes me try to spread the opening larger which tears the opening. I never thought of using baby powder as it seemed to give me shortness of breath after using it on her for years and dirt accumulation on her so I stopped using it altogether.

When I first stretched her opening this photo happened. The other side was not as noticeable but had an inside laceration. This is because the area around and behind the opening is slender so the insert can fit up against it. As you saw from the previous gif, the glue worked well and is food grade.

On the mold subject, I just got an endoscope and here is a gif I just made for you and TDF viewers. The gif is after 8 months of using waterbased lube nearly every day and reinserting after cleaning. Later, like, two months ago I changed to letting it dry until the next use, for about 20 hours. Those dark spots near the airtag on closeup seem to manufacturing defects. Way back there is not an issue for my tolerance considering the insert is between me and everything back there.

I also did the backside of the opening which is the area of concern and everything looks very clean except a small slit-like dark spot on closer view of the still it appears to be a laceration shadow.

Do Not Stretch Silicone like TPE
IMG_8662 labia tear.jpg
Endoscope Inward Click to View
endoscope 052224.gif
Backside of Opening Click to View
backside 052224.gif

So if i were careful not to open too wide and use someting to smoothly install the insert, I will not have any problem with insert based Tayu doll? Any other possible source of issues i need to be careful with? I just wonder how durable insert based tayu compared to other brands.

[crazedcat]

Using a lot of lubricant is probably the most important thing. I did a stretch test of Tayu’s vagina with a speculum fully extended and there was no tearing. I have photos of it in my 158C review. Now that’s for a built-in vagina but I would think the silicone in that region is similar to the insert model.

[ricardoqdq]

So if i were careful not to open too wide and use someting to smoothly install the insert, I will not have any problem with insert based Tayu doll? Any other possible source of issues i need to be careful with? I just wonder how durable insert based tayu compared to other brands.

I own x2 Tayus, both insert models, and I have never had structural tearing in the insert area. I have had my 148D over a year, and my 158D I think for 8 months or so. I use water based lubricant, as per instructions by Tayu, and I always generously lubricate the outside of the insert and the inside of the canal when placing them or removing them. I personally don't really understand why people use powder to do this, as that is not the instructions from the manufacturer. Perhaps using powder this way, and improperly handling the inserts, is the reason people's dolls are tearing? I don't know. I can tell you that I treat my dolls with extreme care as they are expensive items, and I always clean and dry the cavity thoroughly to prevent mold.

The amount of fear on this forum regarding inserts is crazy. I guarantee the majority of doll owners globally are not like TDF members...they are not taking photos, they are not writing stories about their dolls...they are buying dolls to have sex with, and the insert models are highly popular because it makes using dolls for this purpose significantly more convenient. I personally am far more afraid of fixed orifice models, because you can never know for sure if there is a festering wad of biological discharge inside your 5000 dollar sex toy that hasn't been fully cleaned out.

I have owned fixed orifice dolls, and IMO they are much more likely to get damaged because you are cleaning and drying a much tighter, much more narrow canal, while also not being able to remove it so you're wrestling with all the weight of the doll during cleaning as well. None of the insert dolls I have owned have ever tore (including non-Tayu models), while all of the fixed orifice models I had eventually tore during cleaning. YMMV.

[Synthian]

So if i were careful not to open too wide and use someting to smoothly install the insert, I will not have any problem with insert based Tayu doll? Any other possible source of issues i need to be careful with? I just wonder how durable insert based tayu compared to other brands.

Using a lot of lubricant is probably the most important thing. I did a stretch test of Tayu’s vagina with a speculum fully extended and there was no tearing. I have photos of it in my 158C review. Now that’s for a built-in vagina but I would think the silicone in that region is similar to the insert model.

Yes, a lot of lubricant in the beginning was key. Then I got used to how much was necessary and less was better because the insert holds its position better without gobs of lube inside the cavity.

Idk how successful baby powder will be, but I do use it for her bare feet slipping into high heels. I just might be a pain to flush out the baby powder residue after many applications. As you saw from my endoscopy, there are a lot of 90 degree corners for the powder to accumulate in.

I think the difference between built in and insert is the area behind the labia is very thin to allow the insert to push up there which tears very easily. This is an Irontech insert, I do not have any experience with Tayu or high end built in's. Please consider sharing your experience when your beautiful companion arrives!

[returner]

So if i were careful not to open too wide and use someting to smoothly install the insert, I will not have any problem with insert based Tayu doll? Any other possible source of issues i need to be careful with? I just wonder how durable insert based tayu compared to other brands.

I own x2 Tayus, both insert models, and I have never had structural tearing in the insert area. I have had my 148D over a year, and my 158D I think for 8 months or so. I use water based lubricant, as per instructions by Tayu, and I always generously lubricate the outside of the insert and the inside of the canal when placing them or removing them. I personally don't really understand why people use powder to do this, as that is not the instructions from the manufacturer. Perhaps using powder this way, and improperly handling the inserts, is the reason people's dolls are tearing? I don't know. I can tell you that I treat my dolls with extreme care as they are expensive items, and I always clean and dry the cavity thoroughly to prevent mold.

The amount of fear on this forum regarding inserts is crazy. I guarantee the majority of doll owners globally are not like TDF members...they are not taking photos, they are not writing stories about their dolls...they are buying dolls to have sex with, and the insert models are highly popular because it makes using dolls for this purpose significantly more convenient. I personally am far more afraid of fixed orifice models, because you can never know for sure if there is a festering wad of biological discharge inside your 5000 dollar sex toy that hasn't been fully cleaned out.

I have owned fixed orifice dolls, and IMO they are much more likely to get damaged because you are cleaning and drying a much tighter, much more narrow canal, while also not being able to remove it so you're wrestling with all the weight of the doll during cleaning as well. None of the insert dolls I have owned have ever tore (including non-Tayu models), while all of the fixed orifice models I had eventually tore during cleaning. YMMV.

Just want to make sure I got this right: you use water based lubricant on outside the insert and the opening on the doll, but not inside the insert 's hole and younger experience molding or build up, correct?

[ricardoqdq]

Just want to make sure I got this right: you use water based lubricant on outside the insert and the opening on the doll, but not inside the insert 's hole and younger experience molding or build up, correct?

Basically you lube up everything, outside the insert, inside the insert, inside the doll cavity, and a little on the outer part of the vaginal area too. Make the whole area nice and slick to prevent friction, and then make sure the dolls legs are spread fully wide while placing and removing the insert and you shouldn't have any issues with tearing or damage. This is very important. Don't try to remove or place the insert while the doll's legs are closed or in a narrow position, go full spread eagle to make the opening as wide as possible. Then, you shouldn't really have to stretch the opening any further, especially if lubricated well.

To prevent mold issues, I wipe all the lube out of the cavity with a paper towel or wipe, making sure to get all the little crevices that Synthian's photos show, and then just make sure everything is dry when you're done. I use an electric air duster and just blast air into the cavity for about 30-60 seconds. Then I feel around in there to make sure it is fully dry, and if not, I continue the air blasting for a little longer. The inserts themselves should be cleaned and dried like any fleshlight or sleeve, super easy. I love my Tayu inserts because I can just turn them inside out to fully dry and clean them. I also use my Tayu inserts in my other brands of doll because Tayu's are just that good. I would buy extra sleeves from them when you order your doll if you decide on an insert model.