Standardised test for oily doll to determine if fake
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Standardised test for oily doll to determine if fake
Basically with all reputable manufacturers' dolls, and especially after first powdering with talc, a doll shouldn't consciously feel oily but it's usual for ones hands to feel greasy after handling, and especially after lifting as a result of putting the material into compression.
So I've set up a test of reasonableness which should be easy to reproduce. People say "put the doll on paper or cardboard" and then see how much oil comes out. The result of that hasn't been greatly helpful as cardboard or paper draws the oil out of dolls.
The question really comes to "is a doll fit for purpose". One doesn't want to cuddle a doll in bed and find that one's nightclothes are saturated in oil and the sheets also where she's been laying.
I have experienced a bad quality oily doll that has quite saturated the sheets underneath her, quite an unpleasant experience.
So I set a cotton sheet onto a bench and sat down four candidates newly out of their boxes within the last six weeks or so the two on the left new this week and not yet powdered.
These four dolls come from three factories, the major three factories producing most of the dolls we see.
The two on the left come from factory number three, the second from the right from factory number two and the lady on the right from factory number one.
Dolls from factory number one are most faked, whilst other factories make dolls similar to those from factory number 2.
Currently under investigation is a doll allegedly from WM, the Jinsan factory which is allegedly oily and smelly. From the description of what has been experienced I believe that the doll in question isn't genuine and I hope that the member concerned will repeat my test on a cotton sheet. Perhaps other members might repeat the test likewise.
I'm going to stop the test after 14 hours, in this instance so that the sheet can be photographed in daylight so that any oil residue and its extent can be clearly photographed.
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The girls are still sitting there this morning and as yet no emanation of oil has spread on the fabric behind any of them: I gently lifted number one and number four to look underneath and no obvious oil stain appeared to be visible. I don't believe that any doll genuinely from any of the three major factories has an oil content justifiable of cause for complaint.
Can anyone with a doll they consider to be oily replicated this experiment?
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They were then moved off the seat and the cotton sheet inspected -
Lady number 4 - from factory 1 In visible light there was no mark but possibly perhaps an indistinct outline is visible here. With compression of weight over 40kg on the seated area sitting, the TPE is being squeezed significantly to produce whatever here may or may not be seen.
Lady number 3 - from factory 2 Lady number 2 - from factory 3 Lady number 1 - from factory 3. Likewise here, weight of 33kg is compressing the TPE and only the mildest amount of oil is visible.
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These three factories make dolls for most of the TDF approved TPE doll makers except 6YE, Sili and possibly Climax, although I can confirm that the Climax TPE is compatible with these results.
I note the post by SSD, http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=386&t=89485
So we have confirmation that genuine Jinsan, WM, OR, YL, JY, AS, Passion Doll, Climax, Irontech, Vivid, 6YE and DH 168 dolls should be hygienic and domesticated, and are neither smelly nor leak oil to any significant extent. (Apologies if I have missed any out - perhaps anyone with knowledge might add any others known which should be inserted here.)We discover a market trend during our visit at Asia Adult Expo yesterday, a lot of factories are now using a type of TPE that the touch is so soft but extremely oily and smelly. Our accompanied chemical specialist told us the TPE formula they use contain much higher proportion of chemical oil that can help soften the TPE. However these kind of "oily TPE" is extremely oily as well as easy to tear and degrade. We don't recommend it. We can see that most of their dolls at the Expo are already teared. We checked it further, the quality is unacceptable.
We confirm that the TPE brands we sell ( Jinsan, Climax and 6Ye Premium ) are not using such kind of "oily TPE"
People should be suspicious and on the look-out for smelly oily dolls. The report http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=91307 focussed on a test putting the doll on paper but the test in this thread on a cotton sheet provides a reference which can distinguish the genuine factory dolls from fake dolls or poor quality such as reported from YuHe http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=92002 supplied by a non-TDF approved vendor.
On the subject of smell, the sheet has been folded up without washing and put away without any remnant of smell.
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If yes so I will not hesitate to buy a cheap doll
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It's not an oily smelly doll that will stop me
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And I will use the oil as lubricant
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That's ok. We'll be here for you to answer what to do when the cheap doll tears after 1-2 uses and you can't sufficiently fix it with a general TPE glue. But you can count it as a blessing that you'll only get few fun times out of the purchase since prolonged exposure with toxins is detrimental to health.shaynox wrote:When you saying fake doll, do you mean the cheap doll ?
If yes so I will not hesitate to buy a cheap doll
It's not an oily smelly doll that will stop me
And I will use the oil as lubricant
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Scary as always ^^ but no worry I will made a post if I decide to buy a cheap doll to report my feedback.dullahan wrote:
That's ok. We'll be here for you to answer what to do when the cheap doll tears after 1-2 uses and you can't sufficiently fix it with a general TPE glue. But you can count it as a blessing that you'll only get few fun times out of the purchase since prolonged exposure with toxins is detrimental to health.
But apparently, they are a lot of guys that have oily smelly doll and they are happy with, and they are still not dead or have disease, right ?
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Here's an oily smelly doll I experienced so disgusting that I couldn't possibly contemplate any degree of pleasure, quite the opposite:
I experienced what other people have reported about such dolls being disgusting.
After this example, here was another who I thought was civilised enough to put onto an antique sofa and who disgraced herself on the fabric after only 5 minutes enough to take her portrait.
Rather different from the 13 hour test to which I put the current genuine dolls to above.
She had her problems too People who haven't experienced an oily smelly doll for themselves have raised their eyebrows and have thought me mad, raising Rule 10 of forum rules, but that's only because they haven't had such an experience for themselves.
It's for that reason that I take reports of such dolls seriously and have set out criteria for a test as above with which to judge what is reasonable.
A good genuine doll nowadays will not feel oily to the touch, except perhaps in carrying and putting the TPE under compression, and after which it's normal to have a feeling of grease on one's hands afterwards. The contrast of the good genuine dolls sitting upon a sheet for 13 hours leaving barely a trace with the oily doll that marks the fabric within minutes demonstrates the validity of the test in this thread.
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That's not how toxins work. It's not like a deadly plague that'll kill you within days of first contact.shaynox wrote: But apparently, they are a lot of guys that have oily smelly doll and they are happy with, and they are still not dead or have disease, right ?
Prolonged exposure to hazardous substances kills slowly. Like if you live in a house with asbestos or a mold problem, the symptoms come later. Or if you are exposed to lead. You can be fine for a long time until you aren't.
Then again some people can smoke a pack a day and replace water with vodka as their daily liquid of choice and live a long and happy life. But to risk that because of few hundred dollars, well you do what you want with your life. It's not like those dolls are much cheaper than the proper ones once you add the shipping and customs.
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I bought my doll through an approved TDF vendor a few months ago. He took very good care of me, both during, and after the transaction. However, my new, and genuine doll (from YL) made my whole bedroom stink for more than a month (and I loved it), it also stained my (fabric) office chair in less than five minutes, as well as leaving a stain on a wall which I leaned it against (with only about 5 lbs of pressure) for less than 12 hrs. I have also seen new (legitimate) dolls arrive from the factory with defects (i.e. deformed ears, toes, etc.) and we have all seen the damage that can occur during shipping.
The difference between getting a dry doll vs. a doll that leaves stains is : How long did the mfgr let the doll air-dry before shipping it? (You can cause any TPE doll to leave stains by simply re-saturating it with mineral oil - This does not mean it's a fake!)
The claims that you make here are either based on ignorance, or are intentionally misleading, and do not, in fact, confirm anything regarding being able to tell the difference between a real vs. fake doll. Your posts on the subject of Real vs. Fake (ref. https://www.dollforum.com/forum/viewtop ... 31&t=90957) remind me of The Salem Witch Trials. Please stop.
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Instead of throwing rotten tomatoes at me, however, perhaps you might simply wait to see how the results of members' experiments stacks up against me, or otherwise. There are enough new dolls coming into members' hands for that evidence to become apparent quite quickly.
It's worth mentioning however, that both factory number 2 and another factory have told me specifically that they have changed their formulation to one giving less smell and less oil, and the dolls I have from both those factories before the change conformed to being able to pass the 12-14 hour test on a cotton sheet.
In this thread both in respect of the factories mentioned and in the characteristics of oily smelly dolls the assertions of a reputable vendor http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=386&t=89485 are confirmed.
It's also appropriate to refer to another doll in my possession
which is not a genuine OR doll. If I'm not mistaken genuine Jinsan dolls are not like that. Any examples of others would be helpful.
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The tpe in poor quality cheap dolls, is chemical and toxic.shaynox wrote:Scary as always ^^ but no worry I will made a post if I decide to buy a cheap doll to report my feedback.dullahan wrote:
That's ok. We'll be here for you to answer what to do when the cheap doll tears after 1-2 uses and you can't sufficiently fix it with a general TPE glue. But you can count it as a blessing that you'll only get few fun times out of the purchase since prolonged exposure with toxins is detrimental to health.
But apparently, they are a lot of guys that have oily smelly doll and they are happy with, and they are still not dead or have disease, right ?
I had to set a donor doll aside for six months before i could even think of touching her, much less being in the same room with her.
The "new softer formula" "fraud houses" factories are coming out with , you would be lucky if that doll lasted you a month.
The chemical is alone enough to drive me off!
Do your research and buy a decent doll.
Buying a fraud doll takes away from a legitimate business. Takes rice away from honest hard working folks over there.
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haremlover wrote:So we have confirmation that genuine Jinsan, WM, OR, YL, ... and DH 168 dolls should be hygienic and domesticated, and are neither smelly nor leak oil to any significant extent.
So, you just included YL in your test results... yet you claim to make no assertions about them?haremlover wrote:I have no experience of YL dolls whatsoever and make no assumptions nor assertions about them.
I do not need to wait for the results, as I have already been witness to the evidence first hand, with my own genuine doll - not to mention that your 'test' does not have control-able variables (or accurate measurments) to guarantee consistent results.
And again... just because a doll leaves an oil-stain, does not mean it's a fake.
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I was under the impression that YL dolls are made by Jinsan. The evidence you give about a genuine YL doll might indicate otherwise.lilbitlonely wrote: So, you just included YL in your test results... yet you claim to make no assertions about them?
The relevance of the 12-14 hour test goes to a matter of the Sale of Goods Act and as to whether a product is fit for the purpose for which it is sold. Leaving residues on fabrics after only a few minutes is domestically uncivilised as is having to wash sheets every day as a result of oils leaching into sheets, to say nothing of the risks posed by such clues for those with partners who must not find out about a doll, and to say nothing of the health effects of sleeping in close contact with a source of oils drenching nightclothes and with potential to be absorbed through the skin.
The dolls I have tested in this post demonstrate brands that have cut extents of oil leaching, as a matter of good practice, product improvement and development. No doubt evidence resulting from other members' experiments will lead to conclusions about brands who have done so and brands which have yet to do so, as well as having the capacity to identify fakes among brands who have.
This thread is not about belief but is about a measure of scientific threshold with which to assess evidence. In common with the experienced vendor whose post about their observations relating to the approved brands and sources of oily smelly dolls found at the Adult Expo referred to, Bruno in France, Vivian of Vivid Doll, the UK vendors of dolls who offer services to take in and handle second hand dolls and I have all become aware of current sources of dolls which should not be sold.
It would certainly be of interest if you could do the test on your genuine YL doll now to see the extent of reduction of leaching that can be expected after the lapse of a "few months" since new.
This thread is for bringing forward of evidence please. The evidence itself will lead to conclusions.
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