DON'T BE SEDUCED by vendors not approved by TDF
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DON'T BE SEDUCED by vendors not approved by TDF
Vendors who don't want to go through that process . . . well . . . why not?
Vendors who fail to meet the criteria laid down by TDF . . . represent hazards to buyers.
I've just come through a difficult negotiation in relation to someone who bought a doll from an external site and the doll didn't arrive. The non-approved vendor had made no provision in his business plan for funding or negotiating a replacement from the supplier and this caused him to be difficult until he saw good reasons for his arm to be twisted to cooperate. He might have learned a lesson and turn out to be a good vendor in the end, but to date his non-approved business practices have been hazardous.
It was thanks to the generosity of WM and to loans to the let-down customer from both TDF approved vendor Phil at https://www.the-doll-house.com/ and myself that a solution was found to get a replacement doll for the victim of the lost doll.
Neither Phil nor I nor Sam at WM want to be put to the time, trouble and effor nor financial risks associated with making a loan on a charitable basis again.
For these reasons there are significant risks buying from non-approved vendors.
The non-approved vendor disclosed his source to me. The lady in China was genuine, although there were one or two anomalies about things on her website, and both she as supplier and the non-approved vendor were giving prices without any margin to fund replacement or other appropriate customer service and I knew this from my knowledge of a few behind the scenes factory-gate prices.
The prices given by suppliers to reputable vendors are a little higher than the factory gate prices so as to be able to fund customer service and it's worth paying for.
Sites with prices that are cheap are either
- selling fakes
- not showing transport in their prices
- not showing import duties or taxes or VAT in their prices
so buying from them exposes customers either to buying fakes or to ending up without backup should disaster happen and at a cost which when taking into account transport and tax is the same as buying from a reputable TDF approved vendor.
Sandro for instance relates the situation with some non-approved vendors in Germany http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=227&t=80363 who sell dolls using YL photos and which are much cheaper than the YL dolls he sources from YL: the dolls sold by those sellers are most certainly not made by YL.
TDF approval is a matter of approval for a reason.
In bailing out the victim in the recent case both Phil at The Doll House https://www.the-doll-house.com/ and Doug at Passion Dolls https://www.passiondolls.com/ as well as Sam at WM have been particularly helpful and generous spirited. We don't want to have to man the lifeboats too often again.
So please don't get seduced.
Best wishes
Harem
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Re: DON'T BE SEDUCED by vendors not approved by TDF
For example, below is a WM 170 doll so if you see a vendor stating you can get THAT same body style in 140CM, it MUST be a fake since WM only makes that body style in that one size.
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I just want to point out that if it wasn't for haremlover, that customer and other customers would not have got their dolls. I cannot thank him enough for what he done.
I would have voted haremlover as one the best member TDF ever had.
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Best of wishes & preparedness meeting opportunity to all
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Jeff - that image of the WM170 is utterly tormenting. Please can you try better to protect me from temptation.
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Re: DON'T BE SEDUCED by vendors not approved by TDF
With that being said, the problem is that there are still too many people getting scammed due to buying from non reputable sources before coming to the forum. I was lucky when I first began my doll search back in 2013 as I knew the type of doll that I was interested in cost in excess of $5000. So when I saw pictures of these types of dolls being sold for $500; I knew something was wrong.
Sadly, a lot of people will not be so lucky. That's why I wish there were some way for the Doll Forum to appear at the very top of love doll searches on all search engines as it is such an invaluable resource. Sadly, I don't think this will be the last time that we hear about someone getting scammed. But the good news is that the forum has helped to diminish the number of people who WOULD have gotten scammed if not for it's existence.
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Re: DON'T BE SEDUCED by vendors not approved by TDF
Check out RLSD, they have a video showing the difference in TPE quality.
Re: DON'T BE SEDUCED by vendors not approved by TDF
Would you mind linking or providing a bit more information on how I find the video you are referring to here?Hand Banana wrote:Even if you get a doll that is an exact replica of the one in the photo it is probably a low quality TPE mixture that will smell, tear, and is highly flammable. Amazon and alibaba will screw you one way or another.
Check out RLSD, they have a video showing the difference in TPE quality.
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Where's the list?Re:DON'T be#@*%byVendors,NOTapproved,byTDF
Thanks to all, for your advice on Amazon and Alibaba. Those two sites post some really appealing, eye-candy dolls. A few years ago, I attended a meet-up, on how to setup your own e-tailing website. The most important take-away was that it is way too easy to create a bogus web-site. Waaaay too easy!!!
donknotts wrote:Would you mind linking or providing a bit more information on how I find the video you are referring to here?Hand Banana wrote:Even if you get a doll that is an exact replica of the one in the photo it is probably a low quality TPE mixture that will smell, tear, and is highly flammable. Amazon and alibaba will screw you one way or another.
Check out RLSD, they have a video showing the difference in TPE quality.
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Re: Where's the list?Re:DON'T be#@*%byVendors,NOTapproved,by
ParaDollya wrote:Where's the list, of reputable vendors? I am searching, but cannot find it. Is there a page at DollForum, listing reputable vendors? ...and possibly a page, listing vendors with track record of less than satisfactory customer service?
Thanks to all, for your advice on Amazon and Alibaba. Those two sites post some really appealing, eye-candy dolls. A few years ago, I attended a meet-up, on how to setup your own e-tailing website. The most important take-away was that it is way too easy to create a bogus web-site. Waaaay too easy!!!
donknotts wrote:Would you mind linking or providing a bit more information on how I find the video you are referring to here?Hand Banana wrote:Even if you get a doll that is an exact replica of the one in the photo it is probably a low quality TPE mixture that will smell, tear, and is highly flammable. Amazon and alibaba will screw you one way or another.
Check out RLSD, they have a video showing the difference in TPE quality.
Here is one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz8Qevi3M5s
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Re: DON'T BE SEDUCED by vendors not approved by TDF
If you go through to the scams section in the for sale paged you'll see a lot about vendors failing customers.
Best wishes
Harem
Re: Where's the list?Re:DON'T be#@*%byVendors,NOTapproved,by
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Re: DON'T BE SEDUCED by vendors not approved by TDF
New vendors and manufacturers have to be vetted very scrupulously and it's for that reason that there is value to a TDF accredited vendor or manufacturer. As for new manufacturers, it's surprising the way in which Chinese doll factories haven't considered it important to employ anyone who's actually been to bed with a doll . . . so buying from a not yet accredited manufacturer puts the buyer in the position of guinea pig. The other aspect is that there are many vendors who claim to be manufacturers which are not.
Best wishes
Harem
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