Shoulder and back joints imperfections

mark81 · Post by **mark81** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:21 am

Hello!

Do you plan to improve shoulder and back joints?

Post by **Booty Call Dolls** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:27 am

mark81,
Chances are you will see some changes to us ladies in 2017.
Now we dolls do not come with an an in depth user guide, but I have seen one important thing and that is do not raise our arms such that our elbows are higher than her shoulders.
Love,
Nyoko

mark81 · Post by **mark81** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:47 am

Booty Call Dolls,
thanks for reply.

And that's sad a bit. I understand that these dolls price is less than 2k USD, but next similar (shapes, beautiful face) doll is about 6k.
Really I would pay additional 1-1.5k for better skeleton, finger joints, more accurate overall anatomical proportions, etc. Lets name it "RealDoll for poors".
But nope, no luck.
DS don't have such Hcup, Mechadoll - dumb faces.

samara78 · Post by **samara78** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:20 am

Dolls are dolls and will never be like people entirely.

OlmanOz · Post by **OlmanOz** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:25 am

Just thought I would put my two bob's worth in. My first doll was a Phicien mini doll. those dolls have a double joined shoulder. which enables much more realistic movement.

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You can raise and lower the shoulders which also helps to extend the arm.

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I cannot for the life of me understand why my full size doll does not have this extra joint???
Perhaps some of the larger dolls have this double joint I don't know. But certainly the WM 140 does not.

Sorry about the crappy out of focus picture. but you get the idea.
Oz.

TTNLBTPD · Post by **TTNLBTPD** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:37 am

Wanting perfection but not willing to pay the price for it. Don't expect to find much sympathy cause your not going to get it.

Cubiko · Post by **Cubiko** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:49 pm

That Phicen joint is simply brilliant.

Mark, you are actually doing it wrong. Like BCD said do not raise the arm that way. Not even normal people can raise their arm that high straight up. You need to have the arm parallel with the body and then slide it up, like these photos. Then push the arm out from the body. Again, always staying lower than the shoulder with the elbow.

Up... then out. Never out and up. If it makes any sense (sorry I switched arm in the middle of the photos).

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:06 pm

Mandos is right.

Actually there should be a stop to prevent raising in that direction. I did a tutorial about doll movement but need to re-host the photos

In essence doll joints are rather like our joints. It's not easy for us to raise our arm outwards and up above 90 degrees so dolls shouldn't do that either. If we want to raise our own arms to take off our hats, then we move forward and up to right up, and then we can go down sideways all the way. With dolls one has to think in terms of the two movements based on their transverse hinges, and only moving in the direction of one hinge at a time.

The back bend and rotate hinge is really as realistic as it can be.

OR dolls are remarkably agile

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Best wishes

Harem

mark81 · Post by **mark81** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:36 pm

samara78 wrote:Dolls are dolls and will never be like people entirely.

samara78,
"never say never") I'm still waiting for human like androids)

OlmanOz,
that's exactly what I want to see in this ORdoll and others. I don't think this is costly high nano technologies.

TTNLBTPD wrote:Wanting perfection but not willing to pay the price for it. Don't expect to find much sympathy cause your not going to get it.

TTNLBTPD,
please look at my previous post. I wrote that I would pay more to get better quality. But 6k for RealDoll that's too much for me.
I wonder why Chinese manufacturers are mostly not present in 3-4k range with some "elite quality" models.

mandos, haremlover, zihan,
I want to pose it like this. Double joint should make it possible I guess. Experiments needed.

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Rick_Deckard · Post by **Rick_Deckard** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:10 pm

OlmanOz wrote:Perhaps some of the larger dolls have this double joint I don't know.

Maybe there are others, but the only lifesize dolls that i know of, that have this kind of shoulders double joint skeleton approach, with the shoulder blade able to move up, down and also forward, back are DS.

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:28 pm

If one looks at most of those images

(love this one by the way)

you can see the rotation of the arms to get to that position, forward then up, and the OR works like that too.

Whilst DS does have the updown and forward backward shoulder joints in addition, as well as side to side mid-back bend,

the shoulder joints are not necessary to achieve the pose you're looking for and the OR does it.

I should add that in stretching the DS arms above head, the silicone which is 2nd generation rather than current 3rd generation silicone has split at the armpits and one repair has been successful whilst the other repair is more elusive. TPE is better for this sort of stretching, but it's not recommended and there are different vintages of TPE some of which react better and others less well. Recently another brand of TPE split on me after being left in a pose for a period. Temperature is also an important factor.

Best wishes

Harem